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I just picked up a beautiful 1908 DWM commercial luger, B.U.G. proofed, #52110. Gun is 9mm, all matched and has 98% original finish. Attached is a picture of the magazine well with a "Prv." marking. The gun has no hold-open added nor does it have any unit markings indicating military use. Is there still a controversy concerning the meaning of "Prv." or has the collecting community accepted the meaning as being "Private" as in a private purchase gun? All help and opinions appreciated. Thanks.
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Nice one........probably Bavarian. I think there is still some debabte on the meaning of 'Prv'. However, I have not yet heard a more reasonable alternative explanation. It seems the Prv is more common on the bug proofed vs the C/N ones.
 

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Until someone comes up with an alternative, documented, meaning, Prv indicating private purchase works for me. You have acquired a dandy! (insert an expression of envy here). Would appreciate a couple more photos of the whole gun when you have the time and inclination.
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That's a very nice display. Thanks, Tom.
 

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I have one of each. The Prv. pistol is a New Model American Eagle.

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If the theory is that the "Prv" indicates private purchase by a German military officer, how would it be on an American Eagle?
 

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There are 6 New Model American Eagles and Commercials reported with the Prv. stamp, as early as sn 25755. I only began gathering this datum relatively recently, so it is likely that there are more. Also, I have a substantial backlog of reports which have not yet made it into the database.

In comparison, there are 8 P08 commercials reported with this stamp, and one report which does not include the variation. (There are a couple of P08 reports which specify no stamp present.)

There are 2 P08 commercial reports with the P stamp. I have seen more, but do not remember the variations. Again, in the backlog.

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Could the magwells have been pre-stamped prior to assembly?

So, the earliest reported is 25755. What is the latest reported? Maybe in the 5x,xxx or 6x,xxx range?

What is the alternative theory?
 

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"Could the magwells have been pre-stamped prior to assembly?" I suppose, but the relative difficulty would be the same regardless of when. Also, remember that New Model pistols have grip safeties and P08s have none.

The highest reported serial number is New Model Commercial sn 49747.

There is nowhere near enough actual information to support any kind of theory. A factory inspection/acceptance mark of some sort is a rational guess.

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Ok, the highest new model is 49747. What about the highest for a commercial p08 model? The OPs is 52110. Is there a higher one with a P or Prv? I guess I could check your database, but I'm being lazy and hoped you might know without searching.
 
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