Jan, what a grand old veteran. Would you speculate that this pistol did not see service in WWII? I think it looks as if it recieved extraordinary care for the service it saw in one war.
1910 DWM, DETAILS AND HISTORY
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1910 DWM, SERIAL NUMBER 5865d, DETAILS AND BATTLE HISTORY
The luger shown here in was recently purchased from Peter Dunster in Canada. It was legally transferred with all the paperwork. I am very pleased with my purchase and would recommend Peter to fellow collectors.
1910 DWM Lugers are reported in the 3580b to 5531e serial range and were manufactured without hold open, stock lug, and with commercial style (hidden)serial placement. There is considerable overlap in serial range with the 1911 DWM. About 17,000 were manufactured.
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Figure 1. Left slant view of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. The serial number placement is hidden (commercial style).
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Figure 2. Top view of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d.
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Figure 3. Right receiver and barrel of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. The receiver proofs and acceptance stamps are under the blue. The barrel proof is comparatively delicate and through the blue. According to a May 6,1913 directive all P08's in service without a hold open were to have the hold open retrofitted. This was accomplished by Erfurt. A small crown / P indicates a hold open was retrofitting to this Luger. The end of the pin placed to retain the hold open is properly in the white.
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Figure 4. Front of frame and bottom of barrel of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. The serial number of the take down lever and side plate are in the commercial style (hidden). Note: the halo around the digits of the barrel serial number and lack of halo on the frame serial number. The barrel serial number is through the blue.
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Figure 5. Proper magazine for 1910 DWM.. The large numbers aligned with the long axis of the magazine bottom were used on magazine bottoms from the start of the no suffix 1908 DWM First Issue to the 1911 dated DWM Lugers. A suffix was added to the magazine bottom when the “e” suffix was reached in 1911 (shown here). Starting in about 1912 smaller letters aligned across the magazine were used. While not matching, it’s the nearest magazine number that I have.
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Figure 6. Backside of grips showing the last two digits of the serial number (65).
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Figure 7. 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d, rig showing holster, extra magazine, and unmarked tool.
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Figure 8. 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. Details under the holster flap, showing the magazine and tool compartments. The tool is unmarked, proper for a DWM Luger.
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Figure 9. Markings under holster flap. Maker mark (not legible), date: 1911, and B.A. XVII. The B.A. XVII signifies: Bekleidungsamt (the clothing procurement office) of XVII Army Corps.
The next post indicates that this Luger was the property of the 36th Division. The 36th Division (along with the 35 th Division) was part of the of XVII Army Corps. Almost certainly this is the holster that this Luger was issued with.
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Figure 10. Front view of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. 36.I.D.1. unit markings, which signify: Command of the 36th Infantry Division, weapon no.1. This Division was part of the XVII Army Corps (Danzig).
During August 1914 this division was sent to East Prussia where it battled at Tannenberg (August 30), as part of the 8th Army under the command of Von Hindenburg. It also fought at Loetzen (Sept. 9), and Radom (Oct. 6).
During 1915 the 36th Division battled along the Bzura, Narnew, Bug, and Chtchara Rivers.
The Division was transferred to the Western Front in October 1915 and was engaged in the battle of the Somme (1916), Artois (1917), Ypres (1917), Picardy (1918), Second Marne (1918), and Second Somme (1918).
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Figure 11. Tannenberg battle scene dated August 29, 1914, showing elements of the German Army rushing to engage the Russian enemy that had invaded East Prussia. German towns people anxious for an end to Russian occupation greet the troops. The German 8th Army command by Von Hindenburg used its superior tactical skills to destroy the Russian Second Army and badly maul the Russian First Army and send it in desperate retreat. The 36th Division was engaged in these battles.
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Figure 12. Eastern Front battle scene showing a German Sturmkolonnen battling to cross a river. The 36th Division was engaged in river battles such as this on the Eastern Front.
The luger shown here in was recently purchased from Peter Dunster in Canada. It was legally transferred with all the paperwork. I am very pleased with my purchase and would recommend Peter to fellow collectors.
1910 DWM Lugers are reported in the 3580b to 5531e serial range and were manufactured without hold open, stock lug, and with commercial style (hidden)serial placement. There is considerable overlap in serial range with the 1911 DWM. About 17,000 were manufactured.
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Figure 1. Left slant view of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. The serial number placement is hidden (commercial style).
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Figure 2. Top view of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d.
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Figure 3. Right receiver and barrel of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. The receiver proofs and acceptance stamps are under the blue. The barrel proof is comparatively delicate and through the blue. According to a May 6,1913 directive all P08's in service without a hold open were to have the hold open retrofitted. This was accomplished by Erfurt. A small crown / P indicates a hold open was retrofitting to this Luger. The end of the pin placed to retain the hold open is properly in the white.
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Figure 4. Front of frame and bottom of barrel of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. The serial number of the take down lever and side plate are in the commercial style (hidden). Note: the halo around the digits of the barrel serial number and lack of halo on the frame serial number. The barrel serial number is through the blue.
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Figure 5. Proper magazine for 1910 DWM.. The large numbers aligned with the long axis of the magazine bottom were used on magazine bottoms from the start of the no suffix 1908 DWM First Issue to the 1911 dated DWM Lugers. A suffix was added to the magazine bottom when the “e” suffix was reached in 1911 (shown here). Starting in about 1912 smaller letters aligned across the magazine were used. While not matching, it’s the nearest magazine number that I have.
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Figure 6. Backside of grips showing the last two digits of the serial number (65).
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Figure 7. 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d, rig showing holster, extra magazine, and unmarked tool.
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Figure 8. 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. Details under the holster flap, showing the magazine and tool compartments. The tool is unmarked, proper for a DWM Luger.
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Figure 9. Markings under holster flap. Maker mark (not legible), date: 1911, and B.A. XVII. The B.A. XVII signifies: Bekleidungsamt (the clothing procurement office) of XVII Army Corps.
The next post indicates that this Luger was the property of the 36th Division. The 36th Division (along with the 35 th Division) was part of the of XVII Army Corps. Almost certainly this is the holster that this Luger was issued with.
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Figure 10. Front view of 1910 DWM, serial number 5865d. 36.I.D.1. unit markings, which signify: Command of the 36th Infantry Division, weapon no.1. This Division was part of the XVII Army Corps (Danzig).
During August 1914 this division was sent to East Prussia where it battled at Tannenberg (August 30), as part of the 8th Army under the command of Von Hindenburg. It also fought at Loetzen (Sept. 9), and Radom (Oct. 6).
During 1915 the 36th Division battled along the Bzura, Narnew, Bug, and Chtchara Rivers.
The Division was transferred to the Western Front in October 1915 and was engaged in the battle of the Somme (1916), Artois (1917), Ypres (1917), Picardy (1918), Second Marne (1918), and Second Somme (1918).
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Figure 11. Tannenberg battle scene dated August 29, 1914, showing elements of the German Army rushing to engage the Russian enemy that had invaded East Prussia. German towns people anxious for an end to Russian occupation greet the troops. The German 8th Army command by Von Hindenburg used its superior tactical skills to destroy the Russian Second Army and badly maul the Russian First Army and send it in desperate retreat. The 36th Division was engaged in these battles.
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Figure 12. Eastern Front battle scene showing a German Sturmkolonnen battling to cross a river. The 36th Division was engaged in river battles such as this on the Eastern Front.
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