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Working my way through my back archive of AutoMag, I came across Jan Still's March 2000 article on the 1910 Erfurt. His conclusions were conditional, and he put out a call for reports of observations of markings on 1909 through 1911 Erfurt rifles to see if they matched those on the P-08.

Its been more than three years now, and I'm wondering if any reports came in, and if so what conclusion might have been drawn?

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I will copy and post the article here and update it.
A 1910 Erfurt rifle was observed and the proof did not match the pecular featherless 1910 Erfurt Luger proof.
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Dear Jan and Garfield, what is your opinion, comments, etc. on Charles Kenyon, Jr.'s article on the "1910" Erfurt P.08 in the Gun Report, Volume 47, Number 1 pages 12, 13 and 48, June 2001?
 

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Sorry, haven't seen the article. Don't know what he says there. I do know that Kenyon feels the 1910 P08 is legit as I heard a lecture that he gave at Kansas City a couple of years ago. For what my opinion is worth, I was not pursuaded by Mr. Kenyon's reasoning which was based, in part, on the similarities of the proofs supposedly found on this pistol and the 1910 Erfurt rifle.
 

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Does anyone have photos they can post to display this early Erfurt luger/rifle proof...to show how they differ from the 1911 and onwards Erfurt production proofs...?
 

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The 1910 Erfurt AUTO MAG article has been on my list of things to do for some time. Have been very busy but should get to it soon.
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The 1910 Erfurt AUTO MAG article has been on my list of things to do for some time. Have been very busy but should get to it soon.
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In 1910 only the Kar.98a was produced by Erfurt (98a production @ Erfurt was 1907-1918), so I assume your "rifle" is a 98a. (Erfurt Gewehr98 production is known 1899-1909; 1912-1913; 1915-1918)
I do not have a 1910 Erfurt in my collection, but I do have a 1909 Erfurt- images of the receiver proofs attached.

Unfortunately this rifle has been sporterized, but what is here is matching- including the bolt & trigger guard.


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Pete
The 1910 Erfurt AUTO MAG article has been on my list of things to do for some time. Have been very busy but should get to it soon.
Jan
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Thanks for the 1909 photograph. It is of interest that the C/X, C/X acceptance stamps on your 1909 Erfurt rifle are the same, except for the number of lobes on the crown, as those found on the 1908 and 1914 Commercial Army Lugers, and some 1914 dated DWM w/o stoch lug.

It has been claimed that the odd featherless proof found on the two known 1910 Erfurt Lugers is the same as that on an Erfurt 1910 Kar. 98a. I recently obtained photographs of a 1910 Kar. 98a proofs and it has feathers. The proofs on 1911 Erfurts serial number 2 and 3 also have feathers (Paolo). In short, the test proofs found on the two known 1910 Erfurt's are different (featherless) than the first 1911 Erfurts produced and are also different than the one 1910 Kar. 98a Erfurt reported.
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Got a 1910 Erfurt coming in to TLSS in very poor condition! Owner says Grandpa gave it to him and it he owned it since 1942.......we will see! Kind of scheptical on this one....kind of excited too! I will post lots of BEFORE pictures of it. Perhaps it is a later model and read the date wrong?
 

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Keep us all posted, Ted. I've been very interested in this topic since the 2001 Gun Report article. The serial number will help to refine guesses as to how many were made. This is, of course, if it is genuine. I guess if it is genuine you might hesitate in restoring it!
 

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The 1910 Erfurt sounds very interesting. Detailed photographs of the date and right receiver would be very much appreciated. The date and test proof were unique to the two previous 1910 Erfurts examined and observed (AUTO MAG, March 2000 ).
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No news from the owner yet but I have contacted him today as I have not heard from him in 6 weeks now. Project may have fallen through.

Update: Heard from the owner and he said the project was only delayed until October because of $$$. Will update when I know anything new.
 
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