John D.’s 1916 DWM presentation is a tough act to follow. Very nice John, thank you.
I, like John make no claim of being an expert, and would be grateful for any help with or information about this curious 1912 Erfurt P-08.
I know that page 60 of Jan Still’s Imperial Lugers states that these pistols were produced without the hold open, so we know it was modified when the hold open was added to this piece. We also know that the sear safety was not available for something like 20 years after this piece was made so it had to have been altered again a second time.
I know I used the word police to describe this pistol in some of the included images. There is no police inspection stamp or proof mark that I am aware of on this pistol so the police description is based on the sear safety alone and perhaps some would say that it is not a proper description for this pistol. Perhaps more knowledgeable collectors than I on this subject would disagree with the use of the word “Police” here? What do you think?
There are three crown/RC (revision commission) marks on this Luger, (left barrel, toggle, and right side of receiver. I know there is debate about the exact nature of these marks, some argue reuse of rejected parts, others reinspection or reissue or all of the above. If anyone has any evidence in favor of one or the other of these positions I would like to hear. I suspect the later instance, reused rejected parts as well as reinspection and reissue but I have no proof and if you know I’m wrong please educate me.
I would like to know if anyone has any clue about the history of this piece.
How did it avoid the 1920 Reichswehr stamp like the Weimar Police rework Erfurt on page 120 of Jan Still’s Weimar Lugers book?
I would also appreciate opinions on the authenticity and quality of this piece. How unusual is it to find a sear safety without any rework stampings along with it?
If anyone has an opinion on the value of this piece I would also be interested in their opinions on that as well.
I have trouble reading those gothic letters, does anyone know of a translation of the letters used on Imperial Lugers? I know there were many different gothic script alphabets used in Germany. Does anyone know specifically the name of the alphabet used on Imperial Lugers?
Thanks in advance for your help with this one.
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There is even a tiny crown/gothic proof mark by the pin hole added to fit the hold open!
P.S. All serials match including the internals with the exception of an otherwise very nice but non matching Erfurt magazine.
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Some of the images I uploaded are not available I see, I'm not an expert on the computer either. The order I had the pictures in is a bit muddled as well as some of the images I re-tried took but are at the bottom. I'll see if I can fix this later.
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