[Guest]

I have a holster for a luger with the following markings:

J.R.65
1912 1913
F.M.GAZ
I
l.B.

These markings are stamped into the inside of the flap.

There are three names in ink written in the inside of the flap.

On the outside of the holster is the manufacturer of the holster:

F.W.KINKEL
MAINZ

The pistol that came with this holster is a 1940 Mauser Banner, Eagle L

Any information as to the origin, age and value of the holster would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.

 

[Guest]

The tool that is with this holster has an Erfurt proof mark, if that adds anything into the mix.

 

[lugerholsterrepair]

Jesilva, Sounds like a great holster...So much depends on condition. Can you post a photo? If not Email one to me. I would love to see it. I will give you my opinion and value when I see it. Jerry Burney

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[Guest]

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[lugerholsterrepair]

Jesilva, Well we are halfway there! Could I trouble you for a shot of the back? Most people do not realize it but the back of a holster often tells more than the front.
It's looking a little rough..The date and unit markings may make up for that though.

This holster is a good candidate for some gentle restoration.

I will check in a bit later to see the back, Thanks, Jerry Burney

 

[Guest]

I do have more pictures. I tried to upload them earlier and was having difficulties. I also have what I believe is a magazine that matches this holster.

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[Edward Tinker]

Is it the aluminum base one that is showing in the above picture. If so, it may have been matched later, as wood based ones went with holsters until the mid 1920's, then alum ones started, then in the 1940's the plastic bottomed ones.

Ed

 

[Guest]

The magazine is a wood/nickle model with sn 8355 'b' and a plus sign. I have a query under Weimar Lugers Holsters and accessories about this magazine. There are pictures there also.

 

[Ron Smith]

Hello James, The unit mark on your holster, I believe translates to:

J.R. 64= Infantry Regiment 64
1912 is obviously the year it was made.
F= Festung [fortress]
M.G.= Maschinengewehr [machinegun]
Abteilung= [work division,or if you prefer, squad or group]
Z=? If it's a 2? Which I suspect... It would mean 2nd Abeilung. If it is a Z it could stand for ZUG [course or training area], but this would be kind of odd.
I= Roman Numeral 1= 1st Army corps.
1B= 1st battalion

This isn't etched in stone, so if anyone else has a better translation? Feel free to speak. I'm sure of nearly all except the Z. It just doesn't fit.

Ron

 

[lugerholsterrepair]

James, Thanks for the additional photo's. On the plus side your holster has a desirable date and some very interesting unit marks which Ron has so kindly interpreted for us. The minus side is the condition. Really hard to determine without actually holding it in my hands but it is deffinately well used. From photo's I have learned a holster is worse when seen up close and personal.
I am not the holster price guru but I keep a pretty close eye on what holsters bring on an everyday basis. The best way to tell what a rare holster is worth is to offer it on eBay. This gives you broad coverage and might link you to the fellow who really wants this particular holster. Like anything else collectable it is better to talk with the guy who is most interested. I would estimate that the holster alone would bring between $300.00 and $350.00. Just due to it's date and unit marks.Someone who has a pistol with the same unit marks might go crazy.. These will be quite appealing to those who like unit marked items. 1912 holsters are not seen everyday either and for someone looking for this date it is a rare opportunity. The only thing that drags this holster down pricewise is it's condition. Not bad but not the pristine collector piece everyone is looking for.
Hope this helps in some small way and if you do sell this please let me know when and where. Thanks, Jerry Burney

 

[Guest_V]

Ron,

a "Zug" is a platoon (33 men).

 

[Guest]

Thanks, I appreciate all the response. The holster has been accompanied with a 1940 Mauser Banner for at least the last 30 years and as far as the owner knows the pistol and holster have been together since the WWII. Otherwise, I do not know much about the history of the items. Again, thanks for all the responses.

 

[Ron Smith]

Patrick, Thanks for that clarification. I checked Zug on an on-line translator and it gave me "course". The only thing I could come up with was a training course. Just did'nt make sense. I'm happy to have found out.

Thanks again, Ron

 

[klaus 3338]

JR 65 belonged to the VIII Armeekorps station was Cöln-Riehl. MGK with 2. Battallion