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Hello,
I am a new member with a host of questions.I recently acquired this pistol from my father , a WWII Combat Infantry Veteran , 44th Infantry Division. He landed in Normandy from the first ship to sail directly from the U.S. and disembark at Normandy (I believe he told me Aug. 1944). This is a captured weapon, has been stored in its' holster in a closet for the last 60 years. I intend to ask the details of its' capture .I have fired this weapon long ago and it functions well.
I am curious as to the details of its' history , approximate value and collecters status.

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Hello Gypsy. Your Luger is a German Police pistol and seems to be a superior example of that. There are fellows on this forum who know a great deal about the police Lugers. I am sure they will chime in shortly.
 

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WELCOME to the board. I think I can add a couple of details. It looks like your luger started out as a 1918 Artillery model(8 inch barrel) due to the cut on the top receiver which would have been where the rear of the tangent sight would have been. It probably got rebarreled when the Police got it and put on the sear and mag safety devices. You have what we would call a "rig" or complete item as issured. I could not make out if both mags matched but it sure looked like at least one did. Is the tool numbered to the gun? Sometimes you will also find a number on the holster which is also police issue as compared to military holster which would have a buckle and strap closure system.

Really a neat part of history.
 
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Thanks for the reply. Both magazines have SN's that match the pistol , one is blued , the other looks to be aluminum. The tool has a number also but does not match the pistol. The holster is stamped "ROBERT LARSEN - BERLIN - 1935- 9804" . It has a stamp that is like a "sunburst" -- Spandau? The SN of the tool matches the holster.
 

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Charles,

Well, it looks that you have both a Police P08, and a Police Holster & tool.
The sunburst stamp on your holster is typical for a Police mark from the period 1932-1936. If you look closely you might figure a character inside of it. K = Kriminalpolizei, L = Landjägerei and S = Schutzpolizei.

Marking of a SN on both holster and tool was done to keep all things together, as it was the SN of the P08 issued with it. In your case somehow the holster and the Luger were parted...

May be the most rare part of your rig is the tool, with a matching # to the holster. Those were easely mixted up, or simply lost.

Congratulations with this fine rig, and thanks for sharing this with us.

Regards
 

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Gypsey, Very nice pistol and rig. The condition certainly is stunning. Grips and bluing as well as strawing is really pretty. Are you certain it was stored in it's holster all this time?

The holster is much later than the pistol and the wooden mags are from an earlier time. I suspect the pistol conversion and mags are more towards the Weimar period, 1920-1930. Of course it is a WW1 piece but I am speaking of it's conversion from an Army pistol to Police. I believe it was around 1928 that the conversion from wooden mags to aluminum was started.
To answere your questions, yes it has collector status. The pistol with two authentic matching mags is rare actually. I would guess only one pistol in ten has a matching mag. The condition throws it into a pretty nice area too, lots of Police pistols saw some pretty extended service and one in the condition this one is in, is sought after by any collector.
If I had to mention any drawback it would have to be the mismatch on the holster. This is unfortunate but unavoidable of course. Not a deal killer but most collectors would much prefer that they match.If they did you could expect to add a certain percentage to the overall value. As it is you have to subtract it. The holster and tool still have value in and of themselves but the true value is contained in the pistol and matching mags.
I would guess the pistol with matching mags would be in the $1800.00 to $2000.00 range to a collector who wanted this.
I would say the holster and tool would be in the $300.00 range from what I can see on condition unless you found someone with the pistol that belongs in it! Then he would be willing to pay much more however the likelyhood of that happening is remote to say the least.
Since it was your Fathers I would guess it will never be sold, at least not by you. I would think not anyway. Hope this helps, Jerry Burney
 
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Again , thank you for all the information.
The pistol was indeed stored in its' holster for all those 60 years.
My brother received a Sauer 7.65mm pistol , also stored in holster. It is also in very good condition. As these are heirlooms , I can honestly say they will reside in a safe until the generations again roll by.
 

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Gypsy.......A lot of collectors will suggest that you don't keep them in the holsters or if you do then wrap them in plastic wrap. I know that might sound silly since your gun has been in it's holster for 60 years and looks great. Just my 2 cents worth..........
 

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Charles are there any markings on the grip strap(frame)? Many police weapons were unit marked.
 
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taudelt;
I agree , I've read that here. When I looked at this weapon several years ago , it had recently been stored in holster with both in plastic bag . This had caused the brass fittings on holster to begin growing a green "mold" . I removed both from plastic bag from then on. The green stuff I removed with 000 steel wool. Upon receipt of this piece I disassembled ,cleaned and oiled it. It now resides in its'holster in a safe. I may take your advice and remove from holster for storage.

keoki7;
There are no grip strap markings.

I had the chance to ask about the details of the capturing of this weapon by my father. As I mentioned he was a Combat Infantryman in the 44th Infantry division. As a 22 year old Sargeant in a mortar squad , his company captured a small town/village in the Black Forest area of Germany.One of the captured prisoners was a Colonel. My father remembers when he initially asked the officer to surrender his side-arm , the Colonel protested , invoking the rules of the Geneva Convention , saying that an officer was allowed to keep his side-arm for protection from his own troops. My father said the issue was resolved in short order and the Colonel was glad to surrender his side-arm . So , the above weapon was captured under combat conditions from a German officer.
I just wanted to share this bit of historic trivia .
 
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