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I'm not sure where this one belongs. Perhaps we should start with some pictures.


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These are the only marks on the barrel.

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Does not look like there ever was any acceptance on receiver or barrel.

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The only Simson mark I could find.

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Both grips proofed and numbered to the gun.

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All parts numbered to the gun however the trigger does not have an Erfurt proof and the firing pin was overstamped to match and also is missing the proof.

The proof on the bottom of the barrel looks like the CROWN that you would normally find with a N/C or M/C. Could not find just the crown in any of the references I have.

I guess I THINK it is a rework perhaps done by Simson where they had a good Erfurt frame and toggle assembly and matched it up with a new barrel and receiver which they numbered to the frame and then sold it commercially. It is 9 mm.

Would appreciate any thoughts and comments.
 

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Dave, very interesting... I would like to micro measure assorted lugers, both DWM and Erfurt and then you can see if the 1920 was placed over a ground down receiver?

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Dave, very interesting... I would like to micro measure assorted lugers, both DWM and Erfurt and then you can see if the 1920 was placed over a ground down receiver?

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Ed....Thanks for your thoughts. I don't have any way to measure but did compare this one to about a dozen various years and makers and my old eyeballs tell me it has not been ground down. I do have one DWM Police in the collection and it does show some definite signs of being ground before it got it's 1920 stamp. Not exact science but if I were a betting man I would put my money on NOT being ground. Perhaps these will help.

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Dave, A very neat pistol. Before I read all of your post. I was thinking the same thing. It was probably made from available parts. A very interesting and unique pistol. I wish it was mine. Thanks for posting it.

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Ron.... Maybe it could be. It really doesn't fit with what I normally collect but had to buy it just because I had never seen one like it and needed to try and figure it out.
 

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Dave, I noticed in the your photo of the Erfurt logo that the right lobe of the crown has a defect. I wonder if this is the same die that later chipped,due to the defect,and is attributed to the "broken crown" found on 1917 Erfurts (Costanzo's pg. 344). As on my 1917. May help to date at least the toggle on yours. Just an aside.

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Well, after some comparison. It looks like yours has the large crown found on 1918s. So much for my theory. I also noticed that there is no Artillery sight notch on yours. With the later, larger Crown and no notch. I would tend to think that it is a rework.

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Ron...... GOOD EYE.... I never noticed it. I agree that it is a rework but I guess the question is when and by who. I bought it from a vet who I have know for several years and he recalls "picking it up" in Germany sometime in 1945. He was with the 82nd Airborne and arrived via a glider......... Those guys sure did earn they pay. He's a neat old guy and still full of "P" & "V".
 
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