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POLICE, S/42 LUGER DATED 1936, SERIAL NUMBER 6584g, WITH ACCESSORIES.

Mauser manufactured military code Lugers for the police. These were marked and dated S/42-G, S/42-1936, S/42-1939, and byf-41. These all bore the police arsenal installed sear safety.

When Third Reich Lugers was published in 1988 only 32 such Lugers were reported for an estimated production of 1600. More recently it was reported in AUTO MAG (under a cottage industry alert) that a sear safety was added to over 100 military code Lugers producing counterfeit military code police Lugers. There are now more fakes in circulation than reported originals. I will stick to my original data base, as it was compiled prior to this large scale faking.

During 1936 Mauser produced approximately 89,500 Lugers in the 5000f to 4500p serial range for the German military (a very few went to the police). These bear a 1936 date, S/42 code and E(droop wing)/63 acceptance stamp. An estimated 200 were procured for the police and bear a sear safety. Four of these sear safety Lugers are reported in the 6000g serial range.

Figure 1. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Left slant view.

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Figure 2. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Top.

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Figure 3. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Right receiver and barrel, showing early test proof and E(droop wing)/63 acceptance stamps.

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Figure 4. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Serial number on the frame and barrel. Note the halo on the barrel serial number digits and 8.82 barrel gauge digits.

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Figure 5. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Full rig showing, police holster, police tool, and extra extruded chrome plated Haenel magazine.

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Figure 6. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing holster date, manufacturer, and police acceptance stamp.

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Figure 7. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing the matching extruded chrome plated Haenel magazine numbered 2 in the police style.

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Figure 8. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing the manufacturing hallmark on the spine of its matching magazine.

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Figure 9. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing the interior of the holster, police tool(numbered 9974) and number 3 extruded chrome plated Haenel magazine. This extra magazine bears serial number 6536.

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Figure 10. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing Eagle/F police tool numbered 9974 on opposite side. Typically these are faintly marked and in the white.

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Figure 11. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing the sear safety. It is held by a rivet at one end and on the opposite end bears a small pin that blocks the sear and prevents the discharge of a partly dissembled Luger. The sear safety was a police requirement introduced by Prussian State Police orders dated August 30, 1933. It was not a military requirement.

The rivets for sear safeties were made of steel (brass or aluminum was not used). Its half rounded head is not deformed and the rivet is in the white.

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Figure 12. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. The bottom of the sear safety rivet. The rivet hole is counter sunk on the bottom to accommodate the smashed lower end of the rivet.

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Figure 13. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. Showing the sear safety cut in the top of the side plate. Note that the cut is somewhat crude and in the white.

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Figure 14. Police S/42 code,1936 dated Luger, serial number 6584g. More details of the sear safety cut in the top of the side plate. The in the white character and somewhat crude workmanship of the sear safety installation indicates addition by a police arsenal (not the Mauser factory).

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Figure 15. These sear safety military code Lugers bear the police required sear safety, magazines numbered in the police style, and some are matched to police holsters (Still, Axis Pistols, 1989, page 211). They were issued to police units. It has not been established if they were issued to the rural or city police shown here or some other paramilitary police unit. They are one of the rarest Military Code Lugers.

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I recently purchased three of Jan C. Still's excellent books. Imagine my surprise as I was looking through "Third Reich Lugers," and I saw this pistol! I recently purchased #6484g at a pawn shop as a shooter. It is all matching and has a matching mag. What do you think?

Chuck



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I recently purchased three of Jan C. Still's excellent books. Imagine my surprise as I was looking through "Third Reich Lugers," and I saw this pistol! I recently purchased #6484g at a pawn shop as a shooter. It is all matching and has a matching mag. What do you think?

Chuck



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Excellent presentation. Excellent find and at a shooter price! The police is one of the rarest G-Date Lugers.
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Excellent presentation. Excellent find and at a shooter price! The police is one of the rarest G-Date Lugers.
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Chuck, that magazine looks like it's been re-numbered. That first four is right out, and I can almost see the old serial number under the Bubba typewriter job. Eh, no hair off my back. Looks like a buggered with RC, I guess some people can’t resist doing this. I’m no exception, I put over $300 into a RC bnz 43 single rune rifle trying to “restore” it. Non-collectors dig it, but it makes collectors sneer and snort in disgust:

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Jan, your S/42 police looks great, it has that classic un-buggered with look and patina to it that one learns how to recognize with experience. I'm curious, you have a copious collection indeed. Do you have a personal favorite? I mention this because a byf 41 “black widow” that used to be in your collection is my all time favorite looking P.08:

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I’d have sold my left you know what before I ever sold this outrageously cool pistol Jan.
 

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Chuck, that magazine looks like it's been re-numbered. That first four is right out, and I can almost see the old serial number under the Bubba typewriter job. Eh, no hair off my back. Looks like a buggered with RC, I guess some people can’t resist doing this. I’m no exception, I put over $300 into a RC bnz 43 single rune rifle trying to “restore” it. Non-collectors dig it, but it makes collectors sneer and snort in disgust:

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Jan, your S/42 police looks great, it has that classic un-buggered with look and patina to it that one learns how to recognize with experience. I'm curious, you have a copious collection indeed. Do you have a personal favorite? I mention this because a byf 41 “black widow” that used to be in your collection is my all time favorite looking P.08:

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I’d have sold my left you know what before I ever sold this outrageously cool pistol Jan.
 

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Jan.... Observed 1936 S/42 #6079g that had the sear safety and the #1 matching HS mag. Beautiful gun and have been trying to buy it for the last year..... will surely do SHOW AND TELL if I ever talk the guy out of it.......
 

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Jan.... Observed 1936 S/42 #6079g that had the sear safety and the #1 matching HS mag. Beautiful gun and have been trying to buy it for the last year..... will surely do SHOW AND TELL if I ever talk the guy out of it.......
 

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Guess these old eyes aren't up to the task anymore. From the photos, I can't see that Chuck's gun has been messed with. Does anyone else share Nietzsche's view that the magazine is overstamped or that it is " a buggered with RC"?
 

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Guess these old eyes aren't up to the task anymore. From the photos, I can't see that Chuck's gun has been messed with. Does anyone else share Nietzsche's view that the magazine is overstamped or that it is " a buggered with RC"?
 

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The magazine appears in the photograph to have been scraped along something that left linaments (scrape marks) that are straight lines. These linaments obscure the 6 and the 4. A better photograph would help. However, based on the photograph (and except for the scrapes) the magazine appears correct to me.

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Your minty byf 41 was not from my collection, but from the legendary Don Rousseau. Its shown on page 81 of Third Reich Lugers, which adds to its value.
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The magazine appears in the photograph to have been scraped along something that left linaments (scrape marks) that are straight lines. These linaments obscure the 6 and the 4. A better photograph would help. However, based on the photograph (and except for the scrapes) the magazine appears correct to me.

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Your minty byf 41 was not from my collection, but from the legendary Don Rousseau. Its shown on page 81 of Third Reich Lugers, which adds to its value.
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Jan, I don't actually own that Luger, just some photos that I saved for appearance sack. As far as the magazine issue, compare it to your known legit example.
 

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Jan, I don't actually own that Luger, just some photos that I saved for appearance sack. As far as the magazine issue, compare it to your known legit example.
 

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I see no evidence that the magazine was renumbered. You are correct, the fonts do not exactly match. However, the Haenel police mags were not factory serial numbered. They were stamped at local police armories, which could account for the slightly different fonts.
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I see no evidence that the magazine was renumbered. You are correct, the fonts do not exactly match. However, the Haenel police mags were not factory serial numbered. They were stamped at local police armories, which could account for the slightly different fonts.
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Thanks for all of the interest. I have taken some more pics of the mag bottom. I have cropped and zoomed, used different angles and lighting. I have also employed the "crayola enhancement." I cannot tell for sure if it has been scraped, or renumbered. It was not promoted to me as being a matching mag when I bought the gun.

I defer to the experts.

Thanks,
Chuck





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Thanks for all of the interest. I have taken some more pics of the mag bottom. I have cropped and zoomed, used different angles and lighting. I have also employed the "crayola enhancement." I cannot tell for sure if it has been scraped, or renumbered. It was not promoted to me as being a matching mag when I bought the gun.

I defer to the experts.

Thanks,
Chuck





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Based on your photographs I would estimate that your magazine is correct.
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