[cirelaw]

I NEED HELP RE. THIS 1937 COMMERCIAL LUGER, I BOUGH IN ORLANDO FOR $1200.IT HAS 5252/CU ON CLIP AND BARREL. INSIDE SIDE PLATE IS ANOTHER CU MARKING. THE BARREL IS BLUED BRIGHTER THAN THE CHAMBER, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL IS AGAIN THE "5252" AND DIRECLY UNDER THAT IS A "351", IVE LOOKED EVERYWARE, INCLUDING "HENROTIN" MAYBE "LATIVIAN"??? EMAIL "[email protected], ILL EMAIL CLOSUPS, AND THROW IN A FREE WILL!

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[Edward Tinker]

E-mail sent, I can help posting pictures. There is a tutorial on how to do it under the help section. Unsure what you need? Do you assume the CU equals lativia? I assume the barrel was replaced by someone, possibly one of the ones that came to the US during the 50's? But many pictures and description of all markings would help.

Ed

 

[Guest]

ERIC HERE, WITH THE GUIDANCE FROM SOME UNNAMED SOURCES, PS TKS, IT SEEMS TO BE A NEW NAVAL VARIATION OF THE OBERDORF,DWM MAUSER WITH CROWN/U PROOFS ON THE BARREL. LEFT RECEIVER, INSIDE SIDE PLATE AND BREECHLOCK, I WANT .TO THANK "MAUSERCOP" AND "THOR" FOR THEIR HELP AND ENCOURAGEMENT ...........................ER.5RICT.H

 

[keoki7]

Eric, just out of curiosity, is the safety marked "GESICHERT"?

 

[garfield]

It appears to be a "unigue" variation.

 

[taudelt]

Eric...... First things first, welcome to the forum. And what a fun toy to start with. Would appreciate seeing a close up of the bottom of the barrel to include the sn and where it meets the receiver. Are there any numbers on the bottom edge of the sideplate???

 

[Guest]

THIS IS ERIC, IM USING THE LIBRARY COMPUTER TILL MONDAY CONTACT ME AT [email protected], ON THE BASE OF THE 6INCH BARREL UNDERSIDE IS A CROWN/U ONE INCH UP, UDER IT 5252, UNDER THAT 381, I CAN SEND YOU THE GUN ON MONDAY, IF WE SUURVIVE THE HURICANE

 

[Guest]

THIS IS ERIC, I SENT CLOSEUPS TODAY TO THOR, CD AND MAUSERMAN, 2 LUGERDEALERS HAVE CONFIRMED THAT ITIS A 6INCH MAUSER OBERNDORF, ILL HAVE IT EXAMINED BY ANY LUGER EXPERT, JUST DROP A LINE, IM ALSO BUYING THE 1906 FRENCH COMMERCIAL FROM TOMMYBOY, TKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP, I BOUGHT THIS LUGER LAST YEAR AT THE ORLANDO GUN SHOW FOR $1200/CHECK OUT "COMARECOVERY.COM" UNDER SUGGESTIONS, I AM A FORMER STROKE/COMA EX-LAWYER WHO IS DEDICATING MY TIME TO EDUCATE AND ASSIST STOKE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILYS, SMILES ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN BULLETS

 

[Edward Tinker]

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[Guest]

ON THE INSIDE OF THE SIDEPLATE IS ANOTHER CROWN AND A P08

 

[blcman]

The mag is extruded and does not show the "v" suffix. Seems like the 1937 date is too early for the use of this mag. Opinion of the experts please.

 

[cirelaw]

whats desearving was the 'v' was also after the 5252v on the clip bottom, I was warned, the giveavay was a slight difference in blueind on the barrel and rest of the gun, secondly, and importantantly was the first two digits '52' were a bit escew, out of line with the second "52" pair, caveat emptor , non alined, equaly spaced numerals and suffix, check the serial numbers, it was a beautiful mona lousy, eric the lame!r

 

[Joop van de Kant]

Eric,

I promised to have a new look at your 5252v. I comment the photographs that you have in your album. I managed to pick them up.


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The barrel lenght - 6 inch
The main unusual thing about this luger is the barrel length. In the reported Lugers from the Mauser commercial 'v' series, only three Lugers have 6" barrels, all three line genuine marked Stoegers in the block under 500v.


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Barrel marks and the 'v' suffix
The barrel has the SN 5252 (without the 'v'suffix), and has also a C/U proofmark. The 'v' suffix on the frame has the correct model for this range. I am not so much focused on the fact that the alignment of the digits on both the barrel and the frame is not perfect. For a final judgement I would need a close up picture of both, allowing me to look for overstrikes. The fact that the SN on the barrel has no 'v' suffix is not alarming, many so called Latvian contracts do not have that either, and even the C/U proofmark and the barrel gauge are absent there.

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The Magazine
This is absolutely not correct for the year, nor for this range of the 'v' series. It is a Heanel blued (122 - fxo) type which came in a few years later. Also there is no 'v' suffix stamped on it, which is always the case in this range. It might have been SN stamped to this pistol in Germany, or even much later. But how many Lugers have a matching magazine?

Need for some more pictures
I would like to see a clos up form the SN and proofmark on the left receiver, and also of the proofmark on the left side of the breechblock, and under the side plate as you have told above. Furthermore I see a ding or blur on the right side of the strawed trigger (pictures above), that looks like an Erfurt proof. Please make a close up picture of that part also. The last important picture I need is from the wittness mark between the barrel and the receiver, you have to take the receiver off to reach that spot.

No final ordeal yet, but I would not dare say that this is a fraud, based upon the facts we could analyze so far.
Good Luck!

 

[cirelaw]

Thank you for giving the luger, a second peak, Ill try to get additional info, the different marked blueing on the barrel, not matching the rest of the gun, raised eyebrows, as did the eskew 52,52v, It didnt fall in the range of known or documented strings, Apart from that, there was an OBERDORF CROWN OVER THE 'U' ON THE INSIDE OF THE SIDE PLATE, a mystery, Do Lugers have DNA??? just kiddin! Merci Beaucoup et aurevoir, mom amie, vraiment! translation,THANK YOU, SO LONG, MY TRUE FRIEND!!

 

[cirelaw]

Hi Messier Joop, would you please send me an email, so i can send you the same matials, i send Ed and Ron, looking foward, eric at [email protected]>COM, tks cire law, eric bakwards plus "LAW"

 

[cirelaw]

another problem was that a 2 digit number was removed and reblued, only faintly visable like ground/buffed off,

 

[cirelaw]

ANY members only, may email me ERIC,at [email protected] Ill email photos of any of 4 items ive displayed for personal use only, my, 1906 FRENCH LUGER #51972, my 1920 LUGER CARBINE, 9MM CLOSEUPS,my lUGER AND P38 hOLSTER MOLDS, OR any combination, including, A RARE WATERCOLOR COMMISSIONED BY THE US NAVY IN 1939 OF GRUMMAN F4-F2 FIGHTER,BY FAMED aMERICAN ILLUSTRATIONIST, 'ERIC SLOAN', THESE photographs are for your viewing only, duplication for commercial use is prohibited, IF THIS GATUIDIOUS OFFER IS APPROVED MY THE OWNERS OF THIS FORUM< THEN ILL SEND ANY OR ALL, tks , PS THESE ITEMS ARE NOT FOR SALE.