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Hello John,

I would also like to join Jan in saying thank you for editing your post. I’m certain that whoever might have been previously offended; he will repost his original thread once he locates it (Oh – that would be me – I’ll try to find it in a few moments and repost it in my original thread – it may take some time if I have to re-load the photos, however).

What I will add is that when Jan stated that a Member was “angered”, perhaps is a mild understatement, as I am sure Jan will attest. For that, Jan assured me that your intentions were forthright and your only interest was to have other Members view the subtle differences in this somewhat rare HK variation. In fact, he told me you are a terrific individual and had only the best interests of this Forum at heart. So, my thanks are extended as well to Jan for his patience and perseverance in a somewhat “sticky wicket”.

On topic and back to your 1938 – yours is an outstanding example of a very rare 1938 HK. Without question, it is correct in every detail. As well, your presentation is tremendous and your notations are very good. As you, I look forward to other’s posts on the differences that you note and others are able to find.

Again, my sincerest congratulations on owning and presenting your Krieghoff in terrific fashion.

As importantly and again, my sincerest thanks for your clarifications to your original post.

With Best Regards Always,

- John
 

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Here''s my $0.000002, as it's a great question....

First, I’ll caution that collectors should not use the serial number of the matched HK to determine a “cut off” date. Given the tendency of Krieghoff to disperse serial numbers outside a given chamber date range (look at the span of serialized “1937” production; for example), assigning proper magazine “proofing” techniques to a “serial range” is grossly misleading and inaccurate.

Rather, to understand what is more commonly found, you have to look at the magazine type first and it’s correlation to the LWaA as employed on that specific HK. Second, you have to understand the iterations of HK magazines, and when they were used by the factory. For Military Production it was as follows:

rolled/plated -> rolled/blued -> extruded/plated - > extruded/blue
All of these have the aluminum base with the exception of the last iteration “extruded/blue” which included predominately the Aluminum base, but in the final stages (“late” 1944 and 1945 HK) included the plastic base.

OK – let’s take that magazine time line above and try to match production year chamber dates against it:

rolled/plated -> rolled/blued -> extruded/plated - > extruded/blue
G date -1936 -> 1937 ->1937 – 1938 -> 1940/41/42/43/early 44

Now – for “1936” and “1937” production, even these are not absolutes, as some “1936” production may have the Haenel extruded/plated magazines).

Still with me? Good…..

Here we go - in general terms:

- Nearly all PLATED (rolled and/or extruded) HK mags will have the serial number on the base and the LWaA 1 above and upside down (towards the “front” of the mag). Since the magazine types appear on the preponderance of HK volume, some collectors mistakenly have come to the conclusion that “this” type of proof is the only HK correct magazine proof placement/serial combination. However;

- The ONLY mag variation where LWaA 1 should appear UNDER the serial number is on the ROLLED/BLUED variation magazines (predominantly in the same orientation as the serial number, ie right-side-up). This magazine variation primarily occurs during production year “1937”, but again – caution on trying to assign a “serial number” cut-off or cut-in – as it’s impossible;

- The only other mag variation the LWaA should appear “right side up” should be extruded/blue marked “122” (LWaA Stage 1 early or late) – and that too, should be “above” the serial number (towards the front of the mag). See John J's attachment above for reference of this variation.

Hope this helps,

John
 
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