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Presented is a recent discovery which was expected and viewed with skepticism on my part but has shown no discrepancies that I could determine. With all the known number of post war sear safeties made within the last 10 to 15 years, one has to expect the worst and hope for the best with this variation, coupled with the fact that it is out of the accepted known serial range for this model. I accepted delivery with the bases that every part, no matter how small, were wrong and that everything that was on this gun had to prove to me that it was real and not "doctored" with. I feel satisfied that I accomplished this goal but what do you think ???

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Huggie bear

Very nice luger, one question on your number two magazine. Do you think that this luger was initially intended for the military and then issued to police.

The base looks good but the plus sign begs a question.
 

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Your question of whether or not the gun was made for the Wehrmacht or Police is a continuing never ending debate which has yet to have a final satisfactory answer to. At this time of 1941 era, IMO, the Wehrmacht was anxious to shed itself of the costly, ill tempered Luger and was eagerly looking forward to the then newly introduced P.38. Because we find that most of the accepted 41 byf sear safety police are bracketed in a small cluster of serial number range, I find it logical that the Wehrmacht simply declared them excess and allow fully produced military weapons to be directed to the Police and their needs which the Wehrmacht then took possession of the P.38's instead. This was allowed to happen because the Wehrmacht had the luxury of having two Offical Service Pistols on board at that time, namely the P.08 and the P.38. Prior to this time frame, when the only Service Pistol in inventory was the P.08, another set of conditions existed. It was not a question of what the Police wanted , it was and always was till the end of hostilities , what the Wehrmacht would allow them or anyone else to have !!! We see that in 1939 when another bracket of fully accepted serial numbers of P.08's were released from Military Service and directed to the Police and their immediate needs. Prior to that , we see where in 1935 the Wehrmacht released some more military lugers for Police usage that are found bracketed once again. In the in-between times of these releases, the Police got only the rejects from the Wehrmacht's production and to enhanced their requirements to fullfill their needs , they turned to re-works of an earlier era and savaged what they could from the Police storage. These rejects were mostly out of specification in head spacing and this includes the Mauser Banners that are found to be Police proofed through out this time frame. Unless one has fixed in his mind that the Wehrmacht was the top receiver , producer , and DIRECTOR of ALL war production and EVERYONE else fell in behind the Wehrmacht and its needs, then one will never understand what is an already confusing era and circumstances. Wehrmacht first, followed by the Police, share at times with the Luftwaffe, and at the bottom of the small arms arena is found the Kreigsmarine. The step-sister in all of this is the Kreigsmarine, whose status was comforted in the fact, that the Prussian Generals looked upon the Kriegsmarine as their only other Offical sister-in-arms arena and occassionally favored them with whatever their needs were, which admittedly were small in comparison to the Wehrmacht's requirements. Why else would the Kreigsmarine have C96 broomhandles in active service and no one else, save for a very small allotment found in the Police inventories. I have it solved to my satisfaction of why , who, and what took place, but do you now understand the why's , what's and who's of this era for police lugers ??? Most likely not and the debate goes forth !!
 

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Your concern of the plus sign on the magazine base is worthy of consideration. IMO, had this been a fully accepted military magazine that one normally finds with these lugers, namely a FXO mag, I would have these same concerns as you have but have marked it off to the Police Storage Depot personnel and their workmenship rather than the Mauser plant personnel and their established techniques.
 

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Huggiebear

Thankyou for the interesting read and yout opinion on the lugers requisitioning.

For what it is worth I agree that the Wehrmacht had the greatest pull regarding weapon allocation, one only needs to look to the officers in the German high command.

The question on the magazine was intended to scrutinize police ordance supply and you have answered that.

Magazine allocation has long been an interest of mine and when you see a rig such as yours it answers a lot of questions.

Forget who actually said it on this forum but the basis was you can tell what luger was issued just by the magazine and this is very true.
 

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Once again, I must state my opinion and that is I believe that this luger rig with its magazines had the magazines replaced and re-numbered for some now unknown reason. Perhaps it was because of damage or being lost. Whatever the reason , they are not the original magazines that were initially issued with this luger, although I have come to believe that they were of the period replacements having been done with two different magazines by two different units at two different times. Or so it appears by use of the different numbered dies used. The number three magazine, in this case, is a given. But then , I guess this is what a Police luger can be all about, deception !
 

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Huggiebear,
Beautiful rig!! A friend of mine purchased a BFY41 sear safety gun with one matching mag earlier this year from a vets widow. He sold it to Bob Simpson at the SOS for 2,000.00. It was beautiful also but not nearly a complete rig....

thanks for sharing

jeff
 
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