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I saw a 38H at a gunshow today and it did not have safety on the slide or a spot for one, or a cocking lever on the frame, or any markings other then serial #. what do you guys make of it? End of war parts gun?
 

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I have a JP Sauer 38H police,one of the very first. What you saw was a 38H 5th variation. These indeed were the last ones as the allies advanced on the factory.
Really these pistols book more than there early brothers,as only 3-5
hundred were put together.Anyway it goes it was a pistol that lead the way to the modern pistols of today Only now are collectors understanding this and they are getting scarce as the Walther PP and PPK pistols are. Hope this helps, Regards Danny
 
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quote:Originally posted by Danny R Bowles

I have a JP Sauer 38H police,one of the very first. What you saw was a 38H 5th variation. These indeed were the last ones as the allies advanced on the factory.
Really these pistols book more than there early brothers,as only 3-5
hundred were put together.Anyway it goes it was a pistol that lead the way to the modern pistols of today Only now are collectors understanding this and they are getting scarce as the Walther PP and PPK pistols are. Hope this helps, Regards Danny
Thanks it does help. The Dealer is close so I might have to take another look, see if I can take it apart before maybe buying. He was asking 300 one cracked grip, 1 mag. typical late war finish think its worth it?
 
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any info on how late this one is, the serial is 511657, it is in the white with no markings BTW any idea of value for the rig, The gun wasn't taken care of but the grips are nearly perfect and the holster is in great shape

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GT,

Very interesting!!!!!!

I have a similar gun, in the white, serial number 512108. The gun is minty but the left grip is cracked and glued back together.

It is marked C.P.M.? near trigger guard and C.R.M.? 7.65 on Slide, I don't have photos of it just yet, no other markings ... just like your gun.

Any ideas on the markings guys?

Any other serial numbers of guns of the "in the white" range? Post war parts guns?

Mark
 

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More than likely Mark your pistol is post war Russian.They really nabbed up most of the goodies.Theres one at Collectors Firearms in the white and they want close to 9 hundred for it.
GT yours is most likely post war also,but you have two mags with the SS intertwined on the bottom I hope and a very nice holster.Sorry to say thats not a JP Sauer holster but one for the Walther PPK.However both of you have nice items.
GT: If both of the mags are marked, the nice holster and the pistol with good grips should fetch 6to 650,maybe more if you parted it out.The only thing thats really got me is the safety. They should not have one.This could be a good thing when selling to a collector,showing it was a shelf put together.
Mark I,m sorry I have no info on the markings. Maybe someone out there has the details. Hope this helps you gentlemen a little. Regards Danny
 

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More than likely Mark your pistol is post war Russian.They really nabbed up most of the goodies.Theres one at Collectors Firearms in the white and they want close to 9 hundred for it.
GT yours is most likely post war also,but you have two mags with the SS intertwined on the bottom I hope and a very nice holster.Sorry to say thats not a JP Sauer holster but one for the Walther PPK.However both of you have nice items.
GT: If both of the mags are marked, the nice holster and the pistol with good grips should fetch 6to 650,maybe more if you parted it out.The only thing thats really got me is the safety. They should not have one.This could be a good thing when selling to a collector,showing it was a shelf put together.
Mark I,m sorry I have no info on the markings. Maybe someone out there has the details. Hope this helps you gentlemen a little. Regards Danny
 

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I own two that were never proofed and were at the factory at the end in April 1945

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Gentlemen,

what you do have are "GI souvenir" pistols assembled during the time of April to July 1945. When US troops entered Suhl in April 1945, they took all finished pistols present at the Sauer plant. Later, pistols were assembled for the GIs from available parts, no matter of the quality and grade of finish. These "souvenir" pistols do not have any Nitro proofs; parts often are a mix-up of late war production and earlier variations. All or some parts can be found in the white. Slides without any markings do occur. Some are known with missing parts (cocking/decocking lever, for example).

GT's 511657 has a slide with thumb safety , what normally would not match this late frame.

I can't tell, what is the meaning of the markings of Mark's 512108. Just a hunch: C.P.M.? near trigger guard and C.R.M. can be the initials of the first owner, as some are known with engraved/stamped name or initials of a GI.

I also heard a theory about Russian captured/assembled Sauers. But up to date, no Russian made Sauer came to my attention. If somebody could show us a Russian Sauer pistol, this would be just great!

Regards

Martin
 

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My type 5, Sn.509091, was pruchased from the vet who brought it back. He said he took it from the factory in April, 1945. No proofs, but all the internal numbers match. Sauerfan is right, lots of these pistols were made up from remaining parts as souveniers for the GI's. The holser may be correct, too. It looks like the jhg 42 holster that came with two of my Sauers. Check on the flap, under the closing strap, and see if there are any markings.
 
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