[Guest]

Need help with P08 id it has these letters (smaller 7) in the front grip area, and the following proofs


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the safety has the gesichert inscription, it has no grip security lock and no "thing" (don´t know the name) to connect to artillery holsters

Thanx

 

[Jan C Still]

Jose
Based on the proofs shown, I suspect that your Luger is a 1908 DWM. More information such the side that the proofs are located on, any dates on your luger, and the serial number would help. Photographs would help greatly.
The unit mark is a rare and desirable: G.M.G.A.1.7. signifies: Garde-Maschinengewehr-Abteilung 1, Waffe Nr. 7
Jan
Another 1908 DWM is shown in the post below.
* 1908 DWM, SN 6747, R.I.R.72.1.M.G.34. Jan C Still
------------------------- http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=915

 

[Ron Wood]

I can't help you with the G.M.G.A.1.7. marking but your Luger is a DWM 1908 Military First Issue. The "thing" is called a stock lug.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the info. The serial number is 6723 and no alpha, all parts matching. the proofs are on the circles i draw on the att photo. Garde means Guard ?. G.M.G.A.1.7 in the other photo



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[Guest]

Take a look here : http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=915
and the proofs are the same and serial number locations too

 

[Guest]

Find this : http://www.altearmee.de/formationen/truppen_inf.04.html

 

[Jan C Still]

Jose
The definition of G.M.G.A.1.7. is from the official Imperial German marking instructions(Gortz, "German Small Arms Markings", page 21)

The Garde-Maschinengewehr-Abteilung Nr. 1 was part of the First Garde Infantry Division, the Garde Kav. Division, and the Garde Kav. Schutzen Division during World War I (Noll, "The Imperial German Regimental Marking" page 164).

The unit battled on both the Eastern and Western Fronts during World War I. The First Garde Infantry Division was rated as one of the very best German shock divisions (Histories of 251 Divisions of the German Army Which Participated in the War, page 21).
Jan

 

[Guest]

Thank you very much for the explanation. One last thing, any idea how it worth ?

 

[Ron Smith]

Jose, It has been re-finished and no longer has collector value. It is worth approx. $400-$500 as a shooter. perhaps a bit more, to someone is interested in the markings.

Ron

 

[Guest]

i´m not an expert but I don´t think it was re-finished, why do you think it is ?

 

[Edward Tinker]

It "appears" to have blueing in the little rough areas on the left. It could also just be that the finish is gone and it is slightly oxidized / rusty. If not refinished, then an early 1908 would be worth more, but its shape is not the best in the pictures?

Ed

 

[Guest]

Oh yeah, it´s really not 100%, maybe 50%-60%, when you remove wood plates, there are heavy rust grooves. but i really believe that it was not re-finished. Thanks for your assist, Jan, Ron Smith and Wood and Weimar police.
Can somebody help with a book about Lugers. I don´t wanna be an expert, but want a book that have all the models, variations
and contracts.