[lugercollector]

I was fortunate enough to track down and purchase these two Kriegsmarine Lugers ....a 1938 S/42 ser#8143l....N2639 property Marked with a mag N2640 and a CURT VOGEL 1938 Marine Marked Holster...The other gun is a 1940-42 Code ser#5932(cannot decipher the suffix) with 2 Matched mags N3880 and in pristine condition....here are some photos...

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[lugerlou]

Very nice photo,s big question what is your intention of the navies,sell or keep.Send me an email Jim

 

[taudelt]

Peter...... Have you ever considered adopting a somewhat mature American son with an admitted small drinking problem but who REALLY appreciates NAVY lugers ?????? GREAT FIND.........

 

[Frank]

Hey Peter, the 5932 looks like a "Z" suffix. Send me a better shot of the suffix and I'll verify it!!

 

[lugercollector]

Hi Frank...here are close ups of the suffix....I can't figure it out!!!.....Dave....if you live somewhere warm...preferably near a beach...lets talk!!!

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[Edward Tinker]

Peter, I would say it is a "Z". Here is an example on Johns Webpage:

http://www.lugerforum.com/Suffixes/Suffixes_files/page0008.htm

Ed

 

[Frank]

Peter, It's a "Z"!! Now find a 1938 Ostsee ....(for me)!!!!

 

[lugercollector]

Thanks for the info Gentlemen.....why could'nt they just stamp a straightforward Z instead of all that fancy scroll work?....Frank...the word is out...

 

[Frank]

Peter, this one is easy!! You should see the "Z" on the 1937!!! That one is a real bearcat!

 

[Guest]

Peter, congrats on a very nice find. I also have a 1940-42 code that is only a couple of hundred away from yours with a z suffix. It is not a Navy like yours. I have been wondering if would ever see a serial close to the one I had. Thanks for posting the great pictures.
Sid.

 

[Guest]

I could not believe it when I saw this! I have a 1940-42 which is the number just before yours 5931 suffix Z. It also has a navy property number N3877. Unfortunately, I do not have the correct mags or holster but the pistol is in good shape. If you ever come accross a mag let me know.

 

[lugercollector]

Hi John.....what are the chances of 2 sequentially numbered Lugers still existing.....both Navies....both in Canada!!!!?????......is there any story behind yours.....was it a vet bring back??..Canada had quite a few troops in Northern Germany at the end of the war...near and at the Naval bases....consequently,a fair amount of Navy Lugers show up here!!!

 

[Guest_V]

Suetterlin script: a script, created by the Berlin graphic artist L. Sütterlin (1865-1917), which was taught from 1915 to 1941 in German schools. It is also called the "the German handwriting". The writing is a standard form of the earlier and very different chancery writing which was mainly used by government officials.

Considered mandatory under Hitler - and so went into disrepute after WWII - but just makes Lugers even more interesting. Several web sites (even English language) teach Suetterlin - check with Google.

Once mastered, great joy in confounding the uninitiated.

Patrick

 

[lugercollector]

Villiers...Thanks!!.....for the info on the origin of that writing...

 

[Guest]

Hi Peter,
I do not know the history of how this pistol came to end up in Canada. I purchased it about a year ago. It would be nice to know...

 

[lugercollector]

John....here are the photos you sent me of #5931z....N3877....I find it to be a really extraordinary coincidence that you have a gun one number apart from the one that I have.....

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[Guest]

Peter,
I was wondering if your mags are marked fxo Wa37 or if there is also a 122 on them. I have been looking for the proper mag for some time...

thanks John

 

[lugercollector]

John...I believe the mags are stamped E655.....I do not have them in front of me....Cheers...

 

[Jan C Still]

Peter and John
Over the last 15 years, a number of Third Reich Era Army Lugers have been boosted by adding Kriegsmarine property numbers. (To my knowledge this is strictly a Waffenfabrik USA accomplishment.) A collector has to be very careful when purchasing a Kreigsmarine Luger. Checking to see that the potential purchase falls in the correct serial range is indispensable.

The Luger in question, serial number 5932z and N/3880, is not in the 1940 42 code Kreigsmarine list serial number range found on page 108 of Third Reich Lugers. On page 108 all the reported N property number 1940 42 code Lugers have property numbers in the N/4282 to N/4860 range.

In my opinion, the second 1940 42 code consecutive in serial number to the one above (serial number 5931z and N/3877) (and reported by John independently) verifies both Kriegsmarine Lugers.

It appears that the 1940 42 code serial range starts a little earlier (or overlaps more) than the 7700z range indicated in Third Reich Lugers on page 65. The high 5000 z range for the start (or overlap) of the 1940 42 code range is a more accurate estimate.

Based on the above two Kreigsmarine Lugers, the N property range 1940 42 code Kreigsmarine Lugers start in the high 5000z serial range and in the N/3800 property range.

Sid
To better close the transition between the 1939 42 code Lugers and the 1940 42 code lugers, what is the serial number of your 1940 42 code. I used to own Kreigsmarine 1939 42 code, serial number 5080z with a N/3960 property number. Any more 1939 or 1940 42 code lugers to help close the transition serial range and property number gap?
Jan

 

[lugercollector]

Really interesting Jan....I didn't realise that the z suffix was at the beginning of 1940-42 production run and was trying to figure out why the property number was so low compared to the other 1940-42s in your book...Thank you for the information!!