Somewhat unusual, the presence on GB of a sole Manila C96 holster . Unfortunately, the provenance of its US military pistol may be gone without the holster. No serial numbers on the holster.
Regds, John http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/634569740
I just discovered this forum, so I am several years late with this information. I have a NON-flatside C-96, large ring hammer S/N 30-4XXX that was carried in the Philipines by the father (a colonel) of a WWII friend of my father (both deceased). There is no holster associated with it, unfortunately. It is marked Von Lengerke & Detmold. I purchased it from the widow of my father's friend, but had discussed its provenance at length while he was still alive. He had had it reblued, but the gun is so pitted that there was no way to remove the pitting. Don't know where this gun would fit in the scheme of things. Perhaps the colonel purchased it on his own. There are no military markings on it.
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Thanks Trailrider for describing your interesting large ring, apparently in early 30k serial range, with Philippine US military history. Presumably this could have been a private purchase by officer, but does bring up the thought that some of these Manila US-C96 ( even with holster), could still be hiding in the Philippines. Note that there were 84 mauser pistol holsters made at the Harness Shop at the Maestranza de Manila.
BRegds, John
John, I see that this is an old thread that has resurfaced perhaps due to the format change of the forum. Regardless, it is a very educational thread, on a very rare variation. Thank you for starting it and to those who have contributed. I am surprised to see examples that saw service in the Philippines survived in such good condition.
John, I see that this is an old thread that has resurfaced perhaps due to the format change of the forum. Regardless, it is a very educational thread, on a very rare variation. Thank you for starting it and to those who have contributed. I am surprised to see examples that saw service in the Philippines survived in such good condition.
I was thinking the same thing that the change in format probably resurrected this thread but I am glad it did because honestly, this is new to me that the C96 was used by US personnel. fascinating !
Found a picture of this postcard on the web sometime back. Capture weapons from the Phillipines. The postcard is dated 1911, and pictured are two large rings. One is not a flatside, hard to tell about the other. There is a strong possibility that the other side has access to C96 pistols as well as the US during this conflict.
Here is the other side. This was sent to General Pershing who was station in the Phillipines from 1909 to 1913.
Thanks Trailrider for describing your interesting large ring, apparently in early 30k serial range, with Philippine US military history. Presumably this could have been a private purchase by officer, but does bring up the thought that some of these Manila US-C96 ( even with holster), could still be hiding in the Philippines. Note that there were 84 mauser pistol holsters made at the Harness Shop at the Maestranza de Manila.
BRegds, John
An update on the Maestranza C96:
The current number is 3 conehammers, 6 flatsides and one six shot #29589. Only the six shot is VLD marked, and is also engraved to a lt. Loud.
The flat sides are 25707,26234,26304,26340,26826,26841. An additional C96 flatside was observed with a MdeM holster, but serial number is unknown.
Hopefully some more C96 with MdeM heritage will surface to strengthen the flatside group acquisition idea. However, with the C96 identification usually dependant upon the survival of an associated holster that was exposed to harsh topical conditions, the MdeM C96 probably will be rare.
B Regds, John
John, I'm wondering how you identified the six-shot C96 #29589 with the U.S. Army associated guns? I assume it came in a MdeM marked holster? Do you know if it was slotted for a shoulder stock?
The reason I ask is because I recently acquired #29568 and it does not have a shoulder stock slot which is highly unusual (and no it was never filled in). The German Test guns from a few years earlier came with slotted and un-slotted variants for their trials (I believe so that during accuracy testing they could ensure the stock was not used when testing the hand-held mode), so wondering if the lack of a stock slot on my piece could be an indicator of test piece for the U.S. trials? Below is a link to where the pistol sold at auction in 2013..
John, I'm wondering how you identified the six-shot C96 #29589 with the U.S. Army associated guns? I assume it came in a MdeM marked holster? Do you know if it was slotted for a shoulder stock?
The reason I ask is because I recently acquired #29568 and it does not have a shoulder stock slot which is highly unusual (and no it was never filled in). The German Test guns from a few years earlier came with slotted and un-slotted variants for their trials (I believe so that during accuracy testing they could ensure the stock was not used when testing the hand-held mode), so wondering if the lack of a stock slot on my piece could be an indicator of test piece for the U.S. trials? Below is a link to where the pistol sold at auction in 2013..
Thanks for your comment Ryan and visitation with your nice six shot. Finding an undiscovered history for a former Schroeder gun is indeed a challenge. Unfortunately information about grip strap on six shot #29589 is not known to me. It was included in the Manila C96 list in deference to previous authors research, although #29589 is in category apparently separate from the focused grouping of non-VLD flatsides that are associated with a MdeM holster ; that is, 29589 was a presentation piece to Lt. L.W. Loud and certainly traveled to Manila by a different VLD-sanctioned path.
A survey of non-slotted sixshots might be informative ,I have recorded sixshot 40357 as nonslotted.
BRgds, John
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