In the previous thread on 1914 DWM Without Stock Lug, the triple C/X proofed lugers were discussed and the variability of DWM luger produced at this time (1913-1914)was noted.The heterogeneity among this group of lugers is indeed interesting and here is another example of a different P08 variant that falls within this triple C/X group.
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This is a 1908 DWM serial no 69457, that falls within the reported serial range of 69169-70840 for the 1908 commercial army(IL p25). It has commercial serial placement and lazy C/N proof on left receiver, barrel and two foreward toggle pieces. Looks like a commercial with long sear and hold open.
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Barrel also has caliber proof.
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Right receiver bears the triple C/X proof, but the 26b power proof (heraldic eagle) is missing on receiver, barrel and toggle.
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Magazine bears serial no 69951, suggesting that P08 69951 could have could have been a fellow traveler with 69457.
According to Imperial Lugers (p25),the 1908 commercial Army does have commercial serialization but does not bear the commercial proofs that are found on 69457. Therefore 69457 does indeed represent a true commercial Army, yet it is not completely Army either, because it is missing one of the proofs, the power proof. Jan has reviewed earlier the process of DWM proofing during P08 production (detailed in Gortz and Bryans book). In this sequence, the power proof (26b, the heraldic eagle) is the penultimate proof and 26c (which is the third C/X to the right) is actually the last and final proof “after shooting in”. One would expect only two C/X on this receiver if power proofing failed. Perhaps surplus triple C/X receiver parts were used without modification for commercial production? Factory screwuup during this tumultuous time? Any thoughts? Any more examples of this variation out there?
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This is a 1908 DWM serial no 69457, that falls within the reported serial range of 69169-70840 for the 1908 commercial army(IL p25). It has commercial serial placement and lazy C/N proof on left receiver, barrel and two foreward toggle pieces. Looks like a commercial with long sear and hold open.
Download Attachment: MVC-002F.JPG
51.17KB
Barrel also has caliber proof.
Download Attachment: MVC-003F.JPG
48.38KB
Right receiver bears the triple C/X proof, but the 26b power proof (heraldic eagle) is missing on receiver, barrel and toggle.
Download Attachment: MVC-004F.JPG
59.78KB
Magazine bears serial no 69951, suggesting that P08 69951 could have could have been a fellow traveler with 69457.
According to Imperial Lugers (p25),the 1908 commercial Army does have commercial serialization but does not bear the commercial proofs that are found on 69457. Therefore 69457 does indeed represent a true commercial Army, yet it is not completely Army either, because it is missing one of the proofs, the power proof. Jan has reviewed earlier the process of DWM proofing during P08 production (detailed in Gortz and Bryans book). In this sequence, the power proof (26b, the heraldic eagle) is the penultimate proof and 26c (which is the third C/X to the right) is actually the last and final proof “after shooting in”. One would expect only two C/X on this receiver if power proofing failed. Perhaps surplus triple C/X receiver parts were used without modification for commercial production? Factory screwuup during this tumultuous time? Any thoughts? Any more examples of this variation out there?