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Greetings,

I would appreciate it if someone could confirm my research. I have what I'm sure is a Beretta Model 1935, that I'm pretty sure was issued to the German Army.

The pistol is serial number 5372xx, with slide, frame, and barrel matching. Oustide of the standard slide markings (with a year of 1944), the pistol has a relatively large dimple directly above the 5 in the serial number and to smaller dimples at 11 and just above 9 o'clock in relation to the 5 in the serial number. There is also a dimple on the right hand side of the slide just to the rear of the serations. Finally, the slide has two dimples just forward of the slide serations on the left hand side.

The frame is stamped with the 4UT in an oval just behind the right (non lanyard loop) grip. On the left had bottom, just beneath the lanyard loop, the frame bears a B stamp and what appears to be a very deep, but poorly stamped X--almost like a V with very short legs.

The pistol appears blued, with the bluing only having rubbed off at the high wear points on the slide and the underside of the barrel. The bore is clean and shiny with no trace of corrosion. The rest of the pistol has some oxidation/rust--although minor.

So, I think I have a M1935 issued to the German Army in fair condition.

Now, the story behind the pistol. In 1944, I beleive, the B-17 my grandfather, a B-17 radioman, and his crew had to bail out of their aircraft over Yugoslavia. After safely parachuting to the ground, my grandfather met up with some Yugo partisans who had also met five other members of his crew. The partisan escorted them to the shore near Split.

Once at the shore, my grandfather traded his service .45 with one of the partisans who had a damaged pistol (presumably an M1935). When he returned to Italy he turned in the weapon as per procedure.

At war's end, the war department sent him the pistol I have now. My grandfather told me it couldn't possibly be the same pistol he turned in because this one appears to have never been damaged. My grandfather recently passed, and I now own the pistol, which was abusively stored in my mother's hot, humid actic for several years.

Somewhere, I believe, I still have the war department paperwork transferring the pistol to my grandfather. I have a source which is attempting to locate the USAAF paper work on the lost B-17. I have my grandfather's had written notes, circa 1944, of his bailout, rescue, and return to Germany. I have a photo taken of him, his four crewmates, and one unknown airman taken immediately after his return to Italy (still unshaven and looking a bit worse for wear, but grinning ear to ear.) I also have the small new testament that he had in his pocket when he bailed--but that's usually in my BDU pocket--it was the same new testament my great grandfather had in WWI. I also have his wounded duck, catapilar club certificate, and his ripcord.

With that info, as a collection, can someone take even a wild guess at the value? I will *NEVER--EVER* part with these relics of my family's history--my grandfather was, in every regard, my hero, but my insurance company wants a ballpark figure.

Finally, firearms laws being what they are, what is the best way to position myself to hang on to this forever? C+R? Have it declared a historic object? Does such a thing exist? Were that to fail, does anyone know of a museum(s) which might be interested in such things?

Finally, a technical question, I've searched this forum at some length, but I cannot find an answer to my satisfaction. What's the best way to store this weapon? At the moment, I have it slathered in CLP to arrest any future oxidation, but that sure is ugly. It is stored in a hard case in my temperate apparment folded once into a well oiled cloth (with room for ventilation).

Thank you very much for any help you may be able to provide.

Regards,

--Paul Harvey
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Paul,
I am far from a Beretta expert, but I may be able to answers some of your questions.
Your Beretta is probably a Model 1935 although both the 1934 and 1935 can be 4UT marked. Yours appears in the correct 1935/4UT serial number range.
4UT was for the 4th Technical Unit which accepted Berettas (and other weapons)of which a lot went to the Germans.
A price is hard to put on this pistol without photos. I see Berettas go for anywhere from 200 to 400 dollars. The story is very interesting, these men did great thngs that should never be forgotten. Any paperwork you can find is always a plus.
I would just keep her well oiled and check on her once in a while. I hope someone with more info will jump in.
If you can, please post photos.
 

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The surest way of losing your family heirlooms is to donate it to a Museum. Once obtained by any Museum ,unless highly valued by the viewing public , they can store it in some basement, sell it, trade it, or give it away to someone else. It is their's to do as they see fit. The best advise, DON'T !!!!
 
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Thanks to both of you for the advice. I was unaware of the exact meaning of the 4ut stamp--an interesting tidbit.

I'm probably a little too concerned about ever having to surrender the pistol. Donating to a museum would always be a last resort. Let's hope common sense prevails.

Thanks again.

--Paul
 

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Absolutely do not give it to a museum.
Most public museums are run by lefties. It will be gone forever.
If you must transfer it, then sell it to an active collector.
A collector's safe is the best place for a collectible WW2 pistol.

Learn how to field strip this pistol;
...a link: http://www.marstar.ca/AssemblyBerettaPP.htm
clean it;
wipe it down with "Break Free Collector";
do not store it in a holster;
store it in a dry environment.

The C&R is a collector's license which can be used with this pistol.
I don't know what state you are in, but it could be possible that you can
keep this pistol without any licensing. Check your jurisdiction.
 
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