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Did the Finn's ever have any FN Browning M1922's in inventory?

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Thanks Tuco. Were these ordered by the Finns directly from FN or provided as aid by another country? Are any of these in the US? Do we know if the police marked them in any way?

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Sorry Tuco, I disagreed with you on the High Power and I disagree with you also on the 1922. I checked the FN records and these were shipped during the Winter war not afterwards. (You could say that these left FN with the High Power shipments, although it appears to be a seperate shipment). I do not know what happened to these in Finland when they arrived, maybe they were only used after the Winter war ended but they definetely were there while the war was going on or in its final stages.
If the High Power shipments arrived in time to place them in service then the 1922 could have also been used.
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quote:Originally posted by Darwin

Thanks Tuco. Were these ordered by the Finns directly from FN or provided as aid by another country? Are any of these in the US? Do we know if the police marked them in any way?

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Maybe I take a try. The pistols owned by Finnish Police were typically marked with "sword with crowned lions head as handle" symbol used by Finnish police. You can see the symbol for example in this webpage of Finnish Police:

http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/pages/index_eng

However if the FN 1922 pistols were only loaned from the Army and not really property of Finnish Police, they might have not been marked with Police symbol at all. BTW: Only pistols owned by Finnish Police and not marked with this symbol are new Glock pistols, instead of the symbol they have just writing "POLIISI" in their slides.
 

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quote:Originally posted by FNitis

Sorry Tuco, I disagreed with you on the High Power and I disagree with you also on the 1922. I checked the FN records and these were shipped during the Winter war not afterwards. (You could say that these left FN with the High Power shipments, although it appears to be a seperate shipment). I do not know what happened to these in Finland when they arrived, maybe they were only used after the Winter war ended but they definetely were there while the war was going on or in its final stages.
If the High Power shipments arrived in time to place them in service then the 1922 could have also been used.
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Well, you probably are both correct. The thing is that weaponry and ammunition, which the Finns bougth from other European countries had quite a long and not so terribly direct route. Because Germany was trying to stop armament deliveries to Finland at that time and Britain & France were already in state of war with Germany almost all of the stuff arrived through Norway and Sweden. First the armaments were shipped to Norway, there they were loaded to trains which went through Norway and Sweden to Finnish border. In Swedish-Finnish border they all were unloaded from the train and reloaded to Finnish train (Finland and rest of Scandinavian countries have different railway gauge). The Finnish train then took the armaments to some military depot, from which they were delivered after inspection to Finnish military units, which issued them. The whole process took always several weeks and in some cases even months. What I have read the deal concerning FN 1922 was made at February of 1940. But as Winter War already ended at 13th of March 1940, it is quite possible the pistols had not yet arrived to Finland by that time (that is exactly what happened to most of the weaponry Finland bought during Winter War).
 

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I'm glad I asked this question even though I was already fairly certain of the answer. There is some good information in the responses.

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quote:Originally posted by Tuco

These were in fact sent before the war ended but I do not think were in Finland until the Winter War was over - might have been there but still in depots or in transit. I know these showed up sometime in 1940 but the first mention that I read in the Finnish references to issue is 1941. I think JTV is on the right track in his line of thinking. There were a number of arms sent to Finland as Winter War aid that never saw issue until the 1941-45 fighting.


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I checked my books. The FN 1922 pistols arrived already at February 1940, but according Palokangas didn't get issued until after Winter War. My educated guess is that this happened because the pistols were considered low priority in weapons depots compared to many other weapon types.

Usually heavier the weapons more time it took for them to arrive Finland. Typically cannons and howitzers of field artillery were the slowest to arrive.
 

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quote:Originally posted by JTV

quote:Originally posted by Tuco

These were in fact sent before the war ended but I do not think were in Finland until the Winter War was over - might have been there but still in depots or in transit. I know these showed up sometime in 1940 but the first mention that I read in the Finnish references to issue is 1941. I think JTV is on the right track in his line of thinking. There were a number of arms sent to Finland as Winter War aid that never saw issue until the 1941-45 fighting.


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I checked my books. The FN 1922 pistols arrived already at February 1940, but according Palokangas didn't get issued until after Winter War. My educated guess is that this happened because the pistols were considered low priority in weapons depots compared to many other weapon types.

Usually heavier the weapons more time it took for them to arrive Finland. Typically cannons and howitzers of field artillery were the slowest to arrive.
I certainly agree with you, but I have no information about their issue (FN 1922) once they got in Finland.
 

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quote:Originally posted by Tuco

Yes after the Winter War they received about 2,500 of these. Some went into police service post war as these were out of the Finnish Army (for the most part) right after the war.

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Do you have any factual information on the quantity? I only saw a quantity of less than 2000 in the FN shipping records.
Thanks. Anthony V.
 
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