Dreyse Model 1907 Pistols - Data Needed

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bayard1908

Discussion Starter · Sep 1, 2003

I'm now seriously researching Dreyse Model 1907 pistols and need data from members' pistols. Please email me directly at [email protected] if you'd prefer not to post here.

The Dreyse 1907's were made in a number of interesting variations. Slide serration patterns were changed many times. Most of the pistols have vertical serrations which extend from the slide's surface. Later pistols have slanted serrations which extend from the slide's surface or conversely may be cut into the slide itself. Early pistols have still different slide serrations and also have different style grips. There were also changes in factory markings and frame profile. Many of these pistols also show police or unit markings. The Dreyse 1907 is a field begging for original research.

Still's Volume I estimates the range for Imperial proofed Dreyses to run from 113324 to 190775. I'd like to expand this range and have posted Imperial proofed #194652 below. I'd also like to know if strictly commercial pistols are intermixed within this range. In essence, I want to learn everything possible regarding the Dreyse Model 1907 pistols and need members' help to do so.

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sauer

· #2 · Sep 2, 2003

Have 3 Dreyse 07's all with vertical cuts: #277143, marked K.Pr.Z.V. No 2515, in a black unmarked police type holster with spare magazine, mags are un-numbered; #128692 in a brown WW I style holster, numbered to the pistol, and #15625, marked K.P.P.B. No 6862, in a black(?) police type holster marked S.M. 199, with two magazines, one with matching (K.P.P.B 6862'"I") number. (mag 6862 # 1 for the pistol)

Doug

Jan C Still

· #3 · Sep 3, 2003

Bayard
Excellent post. However:

"Please email me directly at [email protected] if you'd prefer not to post here."
I would prefer that all this be kept within the site so it benefits all the members.
Jan

Jan C Still
Site Owner - Operator

bayard1908

Discussion Starter · #4 · Sep 3, 2003

<<I would prefer that all this be kept within the site so it benefits all the members. Jan>>

I understand and agree that public posts are the most valuable; however, I think you will also agree that an all or nothing policy regarding posts will lose valuable data at the margin from people who would be willing to email, but, are too shy, or concerned with confidentiality, to post. Be assured that I am not trying to undermine the forum and merely want to capture all possible data for legitimate research reasons.

bayard1908

Discussion Starter · #5 · Sep 3, 2003

<<Have 3 Dreyse 07's all with vertical cuts: #277143, marked K.Pr.Z.V. No 2515, in a black unmarked police type holster with spare magazine, mags are un-numbered; #128692 in a brown WW I style holster, numbered to the pistol, and #15625, marked K.P.P.B. No 6862, in a black(?) police type holster marked S.M. 199, with two magazines, one with matching (K.P.P.B 6862'"I") number. (mag 6862 # 1 for the pistol)>>

Thank you for the great data.

#15625: Does this pistol have the grip screw through the center of the grip, or, on the periphery?

#277143: This pistol is dramatically higher than the highest known serial number. Could you please reconfirm the serial? If you've accidentally doubled the "7" and the actual number is #27143, please advise on the location of the grip screw.

#128692: Does this pistol have an Imperial proof beside the ejection port?

sauer

· #6 · Sep 3, 2003

Re. 277143, You are right, I hit the 7 twice, the correct SN is 27143, and the grip screw is on the outer edge of the grip. No.15625 also hs the screw on the outside edge. No. 128692 has a center grip screw and no Imperial Proof, I presume police usage due to the numbered holster (?). Hope this helps.

Doug

Ron Wood

· #7 · Sep 5, 2003

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I do not have an Imperial proofed Dreyse, but I do have serial number 368 that has the very early type cocking serrations on a panel that extends down from the slide and over the frame. I haven't seen any other examples of this type, but I do have photocopy of a page from an early ALFA catalog (don't know the date) that shows this variation as a "Polizeimodell" and offers it for sale for Mark 60.-.

Dreyse Left.jpg

Dreyse Right.jpg

If it is made after 1918...it is a reproduction.

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bayard1908

Discussion Starter · #8 · Sep 6, 2003

<<I do not have an Imperial proofed Dreyse, but I do have serial number 368 that has the very early type cocking serrations on a panel that extends down from the slide and over the frame. I haven't seen any other examples of this type, but I do have photocopy of a page from an early ALFA catalog (don't know the date) that shows this variation as a "Polizeimodell" and offers it for sale for Mark 60.>>

This is a very pleasing early Dreyse. I like it better than any Imperial proofed example. Thank you for posting it.

The ALFA catalog you mention is almost certainly the 1911 issue, as this one has been widely reprinted. It shows your type Dreyse along with a later variation .32.

bayard1908

Discussion Starter · #9 · Sep 7, 2003

<<Like Ron I do have commercial proofed SN 626. It is the second version. Assumed SN range 300 - 6000. My PC is not able to send a pictures.>>

You may have a firewall problem that prevents posting pictures. You are welcome to email me pictures directly at [email protected].

What is your source for this 300-6000 serial range? What documentation do you have on the earlier variation?

You may have a non-English Dreyse article that I haven't seen. The only earlier pistol I have seen is in Mathews and it is not marked Dreyse. Thank you.

Ron Wood

· #10 · Sep 7, 2003

Dan,
If Jan sends you a picture, could you post it here please? My copy of Mathews is in storage, so I don't have access to it right now. What is the serial number of the Dreyse in that reference and does it have the cocking serrations on a panel like mine? It would appear that the second variation starts somewhat higher than serial number 300 since I think mine is a first variation and its serial number is 368. I have no documentation, but in discussions over the years I have been led to believe that the first 500 pieces had the panel, and then it was eliminated to greatly simplify machining. I hope your research can better establish the serial number ranges of the different variations. Good luck.

If it is made after 1918...it is a reproduction.

bayard1908

Discussion Starter · #11 · Sep 8, 2003

<<What is the serial number of the Dreyse in that reference and does it have the cocking serrations on a panel like mine?>>

The Mathews Dreyse is #170 and does not have overhanging slide serrations. The most unique feature of this pistol is that it does not have a sight channel. The slide is flat on top. The gun is also not marked "Dreyse" and is instead marked "K.S. Gend 170." I don't know if this pistol was part of a special contract with a unique serial range or in the same sequence with all other Dreyses. Zhuk shows another flat top slide pistol, also without the Dreyse name, and marked "K.S. Gem. Ld." If any member can identify these markings, or explain these pistols, please let me know.

<<I have no documentation, but in discussions over the years I have been led to believe that the first 500 pieces had the panel, and then it was eliminated to greatly simplify machining.>>

I've barely started researching, but, already know the "panel" goes into 4 digit serial numbers.

<<I hope your research can better establish the serial number ranges of the different variations.>>

If you guys keep helping, I think it will eventually be definitive.

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G

· #12 · Sep 8, 2003

#142430; Imperial acceptance = C/M; Vertical slide serrations; Center grip screw; Un-numbered magazine; Factory Markings =
DREYSE
Rheinlsche Metallwaaren - & Maschinenfabrik
ABT. SOMMERDA
I believe this to be a rather unremarkable Imperial Dreyse, submitted for what it's worth.

huggiebear

· #13 · Sep 8, 2003

Gentlemen :I have just returned from the NAPCA show in Chattanooga where Harold is selling Ernie Langs entire collection of Dreyse's and would be worth while to call and ask for the data . Although it was impressive in numbers and worth the effort to obtain this information , remember that Harold is still in a semi business mode and may not want to invest in the time to record all of the desired data. Never the less, a email won't hurt. How many did he have , I did not count them but one in particular stood out from all the rest as it had a different name on the slide other than Dreyse and had a solid top slide. Serial on that piece was 170. Entire collection can be bought for $7500 AND includes a 9mm pistol.

kk

montenegrin

· #14 · Sep 19, 2003

Hello,
while I don't have any Dreyse pistols, I bought a Dreyse carbine (7.65mm semi-auto, like in Alfa 1911 reprint)from a retired forester here in the old country a few years ago. Only markings are proofs crown/N and serial number 2231; no manufacturer's name. Nice little gun, and the only one I've ever seen.
By the way, I was recently offered $2,000 for it; does this sound right? Condition is excellent (sorry, I do not have a scanner).
With kind regards,
Jani

Jan C Still

· #15 · Sep 20, 2003

Montenegrin
If you can figure out a way to photograph your Dreyse carbine, please show the photograph here. I have not seen one amd would be interested. I could not estimate the value of such a rare carbine but would consider $2000 too little.
Jan

Jan C Still
Site Owner - Operator

p3skyking

· #16 · Sep 28, 2003

I have a couple of Dreyse 1907's. Both are run of the mill except that one is highly engraved. Words to the effect that it is being awarded for completion of requirements for a German hunting club. My limited research has me thinking it was awarded prior to WWI.

Will post serno and photo soon.

CBrown

· #17 · Sep 30, 2003

DREYSE M07s IN SPRINGFIELD ARMORY COLLECTION
You will have to contact them directly for specific details not noted here.
Commercial: SN 20774; no mag
Police: SN 24977; P.D. Bremen No.266; w mag II and 266
Military: SN 164545; crown/W acceptance

CBrown

· #18 · Oct 1, 2003

COMMERCIAL DREYSE M07 WITH UNIT MARKS

SN 65366, no military acceptance but unit mark: B.16.R. Doubtless Adolf's ....

student1979

· #19 · Oct 1, 2003

Reporting from Norway:
Dreyse M1907
Serialnumber: 217421
Markings: RFV (Reichs Finance Verwaltung) No.3648 (matching magazine, marked 3648 I)
Complete with holster marked: "Kern Kläger 1937 Berlin".

bayard1908

Discussion Starter · #20 · Oct 6, 2003

<<Reporting from Norway

reyse M1907 Serialnumber: 217421>>

Does this pistol have the late style reinforced rear sight? Is the pistol marked "Rheinmetall" or "Rheinische?" Thank you.

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