[Guest]

I am trying to figure out a pistol. It appears to be a 1914 military.
Serial # 7156g matching through out
9mm caliber
4 inch barrel
Toggle is marked DWM 1917

proofs on receiver are as listed in book by Harry Jones "Luger Variations vol one" pg 234 #10 for 1914 DWM military

except on the top of the barrel, inside of the grips and on takedown tool is a three straight lined bird shape with 655 below it.

on underside of barrel is the serial # 7156 and under that toward the receiver is 42 then under that is 8.82

on the top of the barrel besides the 655 mark is also a bird type shape with down angled lines for wings with flat top where the head would be.

The pistol is mostly a black blue including the trigger and safety. the hold open latch is straw and heat colored blue.
the sear bar spring is bright blue.
coupling link is white (raw) as is the sear bar safety and trigger lever and sear bar plunger.

The pistol came with a nicely worn 1939 dated Karl Barth Waldbrbl holster WaA 727.

Magizine with pistol is stamped Haenel in arrow, Schmeisser patent Eagle sitting on ball with X in it, beside an L. ser # 3374 on mag.

I don't know what to look for as far as a remanufacture or re issue mark. I don't know if that might be a possibility, or possibly some one replaced the barrel at some time.

It is a nice looking pistol.

I apologize as i do not have a camera yet so no pictures. I don't know what kind of camera to get.

 

[Ron Smith]

russco, Welcome to the forum. From the discription it sounds like you have 1917 DWM Imperial (WWI) Luger, that has been refurbished for service in WWII as a police pistol. I'm not sure, but I believe the barrel marks are indicitive of an armorers replacement. The 42 between the ser# and the 8,82 is the Mauser code. And I believe indicates a spare or replacement barrel issued to an armorer.
The magazine is a typical police Haenal Schmeisser magazine. The Eagle L is a police stamp.
Is there a small flat bar riveted to the receiver that rests on top of the sideplate? This is a police sear safety,if so.
As far as cameras go there are several to choose from. Try to get one with good macro (Close-up) capability. I use a Canon. Hopefully some of the more knowledgable members will jump in soon. And may give you more detailed information.

Ron

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the welcome.

I appreciate your imput. I am glad there is a forum so that a person can learn more from someone with more knowledge and a like interest.

I see no flat bar riveted to the receiver.

I sure wish these firearms could talk, or i wish i could understand their language better.

I have been wanting to get a camera, but anymore it seems that people are just interested in selling you what they have instead of actually helping you make a wise purchase that will do what you want it to. I will look for something that will focus close. If you can't get good detail the picture does no good.
Thanks

 

[Ron Smith]

Phil, Where in Oregon do you live? I live in Springfield. There are a few other Oregon members also.
The best thing to do is find a decent camera first. Get some good photos posted. You'll learn more than you ever thought possible.
I got my Canon at Circuit City. They carry a pretty good line, at reasonable prices. It does'nt have to cost a fortune. Ask if they have any open boxs. These are cameras that have been returned for various reasons. They are much less expensive and the warranties are still good. That's what mine was. Got it for $45 less than sticker price.
Ron

Ron

 

[Policeluger]

Sounds more like a reworked army gun with a police mag...pictures would help!

 

[lugerlou]

russco

Welcome to the forum, has your luger a chamber date on the top of receiver. In conjunction with your serial number suffix and the proofs it should display either a 1915, 1916 ,1917 or 1918 chamber date. You also state that the toggle ( which is the movable portion of the firing mechanism) is marked 1917 or do you mean the receiver.

The blueing you state as being a black blue is not synonymous with a imperial luger which should be a very deep blue (rust blue). Also the trigger and safety should not be blued on the imperial luger.

The 655 code is that assigned to Mauser and used on lugers 1939 to 1941/42. The drooped wing eagle is prior to 1937.

Now with all that in mind I have trouble believing that someone other than a factory armourer would tamper with your luger and reblue it while going through the process of keeping the coupling link and the other pieces you reported in the white. . Your luger was most likely refitted in a factory workshop by mauser and restamped with the Mauser acceptance proofs and reblued using the salt blue process in use after 1937 which was the year of change from rust blue to salt blue.

I tend to agree with Police lugers post that you have a reworked army luger that ended up with the police eagle/L acceptance proofed magazine.

As to your camera , take your time and don't get hooked, simple but efficient is the trick.

 

[Guest]

I apologize for not replying sooner.

Ron, I live just Two hours south in Grants Pass. Thanks for the info on the camera I will be checking it out.

Lugerlou, You are right the toggle only has the DWM. It was the reciever that had the date 1917.
I think that the factory probably did the work on it too. After i get a camera I hope to get pictures. I know that will help a great deal in puzzling this out.

Thanks for the help!
Phil