E2 proofs with bad die or multiple stamped

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1933 FORD NUT

Discussion Starter · Nov 2, 2015 (Edited)

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Always found the sloppiness of the E2 markings in the upkeep of chipped dies and multiple stamps very interesting .

Adding a holster E2 that deserves front page listing

If anyone else finds this interesting please add pics [ stole these here ] as I am not good with cameras or these PC's .

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Pete E.

· #2 · Nov 10, 2015

Dave,

You have inspired me to start a Photo-Study of the HK proofs on the right receiver flats...

I have it started with 30+ samples.

I will post it when I get around 200 samples or so.

I will tag each photo with the gun's serial number, type of HK, and date of photo/origin of photo (if available).

Pete E.

· #3 · Nov 12, 2015

Dave,

Here is one I thought you would like :
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1933 FORD NUT

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 12, 2015 (Edited)

Pete , Yessir - at least a triple . REALLY interesting to see the " pigeon toed " E2 left foot on a left proof . Center proof looks well struck with a defective die . Look at the right wing . Right proof looks good other than the little chip missing from the right outer wing bottom . Barrel proof looks to have been some shattered remnants of dies held together with something and then pounded hard . Frame proof is only missing some of the right wing . THANKS A TON as this kinda silliness is great to me !!!!!!! Yes on the shelf thing . Dave

Actually was enjoying the goofed up dies enough to not notice the 1937 sn 7583 bit . Kinda outta place ?

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Pete E.

· #5 · Nov 12, 2015

Dave,

Here is the link to the entire gun SN-7583 :

http://shop.pre98.com/Sold-1937-KRIEGHOFF-LUGER-NICE-11-14-2012-1.htm
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1933 FORD NUT

Discussion Starter · #6 · Nov 12, 2015

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I would be real interested to know if this example has a four point reject star in the front frame well . Seems guns with this have oddities .

Looking at the proofs you would expect a higher serial # and a 1938 date .

Notice how well the mag matches others close to it on the list . NO QUESTION on that one IMHO .

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Pete E.

· #7 · Nov 12, 2015

Hi Dave,

Unfortunately, my HK Reciever Proofs photo-study just got started and do not have enough to see any trends, etc.

But then we have to remember guns were not coming off the line in sequential numerical order, either. So maybe some guns with a 1937 receiver and earlier SN were finished later in the enumeration and when some of the acceptance stamps had changed (???).

But I do have this other one that I am sure will have you scratching your head as well. SN-6840; also a 1937-Dated pistol.

It was a RIA offering back in 12-2012. Check out the aqua-marine color on the small part, too.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/57/lid/3520
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1933 FORD NUT

Discussion Starter · #8 · Nov 12, 2015

Pete , Same thing proof wise . Ad for the second one says " touched up " and " re strawed " and it shows . Mag smells bad also . Again I would suspect there may be a four point reject star in this frame well also . Both would need an in hand CLOSE look before saying much more . No documentation to back the four point reject star marking but I have seen it before . My SN 8309 1937 has it and it has oddities . Not these though .

Pete E.

· #9 · Nov 16, 2015

SN-702 S-Code HK from a 3-2014 Julia auction (old Sturgess gun) :

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3097-358/
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Pete E.

· #10 · Nov 18, 2015

SN-10012, a 1938-Dated HK on RIA auction in 9-2015 that went hammer down for $ 17,250.00 plus fees.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/65/lid/1731
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Pete E.

· #11 · Dec 13, 2015

Dave,

Thought you would like to see the barrel proof on this one.

SN-4677 with one of our Members located in Iceland.
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Pete E.

· #12 · Jan 19, 2016

Although this example does not have any broken dies used, it does show a very nice "halo" on the barrel stamping.

It is HK SN-8811 (1937-Date) offered by CheckPointCharlies :
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1933 FORD NUT

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 22, 2016 (Edited)

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Here's a couple more in the white barrel proofs . Having a hard time catching it but the barrel proofs are THROUGH THE BLUE on these also . No mistaking it under high magnification .

This is a direct contradiction to Gibson page 124 .

Pics are 6624 and 8309 .

Odd that he missed this as it is pretty obvious if you are looking for it .

Definitely not the first ones I have seen like this and I always thought it was normal on guns that were not " fluffed up " . You may have to clean it out if full of crud or the HIDE IT paint .

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Pete E.

· #14 · Jan 23, 2016

Great photos, Dave...thanks.

The Photo-Study you enticed me to start with your initial posting had a side-benefit.

As I cropped the right-side proofs on HK Luger photos I found; I did keep about the first 1-1.5" of the barrel in the photos too...so we are building a good collection of views of the barrel proofs, too.

peter meyer

· #15 · Jan 23, 2016

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Pete...two more left is from a 1936 Sn.6368 (not the best picture but all I have for now) right is from 1937 Sn. 6494
Happy Hunting!
Peter

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Pete E.

· #16 · Jan 24, 2016 (Edited)

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the 2 photos.

Your SN-6494 is most interesting as one of the proofs is what Gibson coined as LWaA 1st. Acceptance - Stage II, Mid (see bottom of page 95 in his book).

And he notes it is found only in the very low 10,000 sequence of the serial range. And the samples he saw were 1938-Dated guns.

However, I have similar examples in my HK Proof Study as your SN-6494 (1936-Date)...those two being SN-7583 (a 1937-Dated) and SN-10012 (a 1938-Date) you can see, below :

And Dave G. will be happy to note that the barrel proofs on these examples are through the barrel's bluing, too.
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Pete E.

· #17 · Jan 29, 2016

SN-3617 (S-Code) photo :
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Pete E.

· #18 · Feb 4, 2016

SN-3981 (36-Date at Simsons LTD). Barrel proof seems like a real mess.
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1933 FORD NUT

Discussion Starter · #19 · Feb 4, 2016

Pete , Yes on the mess and look at post 1 right pic of 8910's barrel proof . How is that even possible ? Some of these barrel proofs look like the inspector tilted the die right and hit it and then tilted it left and hit it again . The ones like that are deeply struck on both outer edges and with the curved surface of the barrel that would make sense but some like your posting and 8910's mess who knows ?? Again 8910's looks to only be possible with a shattered die ????????????? AND 3981 as you said is just a mess !! Dave

Pete E. said:
SN-3981 (36-Date at Simsons LTD). Barrel proof seems like a real mess.
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lugienewbie

· #20 · Feb 4, 2016

Hi Pete,
Here is SN-6461, a 1936 which I briefly owned.

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