Was wondering what are the earliest dates anyone has observed on P.08 holsters. When did they start to date them? The earliest one I have seen was dated 1913. Jerry Burney tells me he has observed 1910. Were 1908 dates on the first military holsters? Seldom do I see dates earlier than 1917 on e-bay listed leather. Would someone out there like to share their experience along this line?
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To clarify what Herb is saying here I must say I think I remember a 1910 but cannot say for sure and have no photo's. I told him Jan Still would undoubatbly be the expert authority here as he collects and is interested in this era. Jan? Thanks, Jerry Burney
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I have examined one 1909 dated holster. In my collection I have: 1908 date-1 holster RRC?; 1910 date-3 holsters; 1911 date-9 holsters; 1912 date-7 holsters; and 1913 date-10 holsters. Photographs of date stamps on 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1913 dated holsters are shown on page 84-86 of Imperial Lugers
The following is a list of 1908-1913 dated holsters(The leading number 10.3)is my collection reference; the unit stamp is listed first.) :
Jan
1908? RR CONVERSION
7) 98. R./1905 (Old mark, 98 Infanterie Regiment dated 1905); I.B. / 1908/ 3.C. / I (New mark, Bataillon I, dated 1908, 3. Compagnie, Granitur I); Julis Jansen /Strassburg, Reich. Rev. Con. Type. 1
1910 DATED HOLSTERS
8) D 13 / 1910 / 1910 / 1E / I ( Dragoner-Reginent 13, dated 1910; & dated 1910, 1 Eskadron, Granitur1) Reich Rev. holster parts lite red brn E+
9) U.R.20 / II 1910 / 5.E.;(Ulanen Regiment 20, Granitur II,dated 1910, 5 Eskadron) J.M. ECKART/ ULM, Weimar rework brn E+
10) old mark R.U.05 (Reserve Ulanen Regiment, dated 1905); new mark B.A.XIX10 18.U.10 / 3 10 (Bekleidungsamt des XIX Armeekorps, 18 Ulanen Regiment, dated 1910, Eskadron 3,Waffe 10); Reich Rev. holster parts lite brn E+
1911 DATED HOLSTERS
10.3) AWM/3/11 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1911) red brn E+
10.4) AWM/3/11 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1911) red brn E+
10.6) D 13/1911 (Dragoner-Regiment 13; dated 1911) F. BIERENBREIER / KEHL A/RH; 1911 red brn E
11) A.R.13 (Field Artillerie Regiment 13); J.M. ECKART / ULM / 1911; Reich Rev. holster parts maroon E
11.5) B.A.III., T.III (Bekleidungsamt des III Armeekorps, &Train-Bataillon III Armeekorps ). 1912, maker marked/1911 black E
12) 20.J.R. / 1912; AWM / 3 / 11 (20 Infantrie Regiment, date 1912, & Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1911) red brn E
13) T.B.17. B.A.XVII; (Train-Bataillon 17, Feldbackereikolonne & Bekleidungsamt des XVII Armeekorps) FOURAF ? BERLIN / 1911 lite brn E+
13.5) T.B.17., B.A.XVII (Train-Bataillon 17, Feldbackereikolonne & Bekleidungsamt des XVII Armeekorps) , 1911, F. COBU BERLIN, brn E
14) xxxxx? / ELBERFIELD 1911 dk brn E
1912 DATED HOLSTERS
4) AWM/2 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen 1912), N. BURGHARD / PASING redbrn E-
10.5) AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912); M.ZOTZ /SATTLER /LANDAU / PFALZ/12 (Landau is the home base for the Bavarian 5 Field Artillerie Regiment). red brn E+
10.52) 17JR, AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912); M.ZOTZ /SATTLER / LANDAU / PFALZ/12 red brn E+
10.55) 1.I.R. / 2 C, I B (1 Infanterie Regiment, 2 Company, 1 Bataillon); AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912) red brn E
14.5) C/M, M / ANCHORA, DAHL/BARMEN/1912 4" Navy blk fair
14.7) 13.J.R., 3 B , B ST N (13 Infanterie Regiment, 3 Bataillon, Bavarian Strafanstalten Nurenburg?), 10/12, AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912)rd brn E+
15.5) 20FsAR., II B, 7L., BA.IX (20 Fuss-Artillerie-Regiment, Bataillon II., 7 Landsturm ?, Bekleidungsamt des IX Armeekorps) 1912, Rudolf Wiemer&Co./Mülheim-Ruhr brn E
1913 DATED HOLSTERS
16) "29":R III. B.(29 Infanterie Regiment) ; G. LESCHEN / MILIT-EFFEKTEN / FABRIK / COLON- DEUTZ / 1913 red brn E
17) G.G.R.2 / 1913(Garde- Grenadier-Regiment 2 dated 1913 ; M.BECKERXXX? / BERLIN 1913 dark burgandy E
(first G. poorly stamped, looks like C)
17.5) R.46., B.A.V./1913(Regiment 46,Bekleidungsamt des X Armeekorps) , JULIUS ARNADE / MOYS /1913 dk. brn E+
18) 2.Ch.R. / 1913; AWM/ 3 /13 B (2 Chevaulegers Regiment, dated 1913, Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1913) red brn E+
19) AWM / 9 / 13 B (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 9, 1913), red brn, E+ With 3.30 markedtool (IL p. 38)
20) 9 IR MGK AWM / 9 / 13 B (9 Infanterie Regiment; Machinengewehr-kompagnie, Artillerie- Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1913 ) red brn E+
21) 2.D.R.26. / 2ES (2 Wurtt. Dragoner-Regiment 26, 2 Esquadron).; J.M. ECKART / ULM / 1913 brn E
21.1) KR/1913 (Saxon Karibiner Regiment date 1913), ERNST SIEGEMUND/DRESDEN 1913 (Note: Dresden is the location of the Eastern Saxony Army Corpe Headquarters, XII) blk E+
21.5) T.B.4./1913(Train-Bataillon 14, Feldbackereikolonne dated 1913), maker marked/1913
21.7) J.B.9. M.G. I. /1913 (Jager Batillon 9, Machinegewehr-Kompagnie, Granitur I dated 1913)F.H. Thieme/Magdenburg/1913 brn E
I have examined one 1909 dated holster. In my collection I have: 1908 date-1 holster RRC?; 1910 date-3 holsters; 1911 date-9 holsters; 1912 date-7 holsters; and 1913 date-10 holsters. Photographs of date stamps on 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1913 dated holsters are shown on page 84-86 of Imperial Lugers
The following is a list of 1908-1913 dated holsters(The leading number 10.3)is my collection reference; the unit stamp is listed first.) :
Jan
1908? RR CONVERSION
7) 98. R./1905 (Old mark, 98 Infanterie Regiment dated 1905); I.B. / 1908/ 3.C. / I (New mark, Bataillon I, dated 1908, 3. Compagnie, Granitur I); Julis Jansen /Strassburg, Reich. Rev. Con. Type. 1
1910 DATED HOLSTERS
8) D 13 / 1910 / 1910 / 1E / I ( Dragoner-Reginent 13, dated 1910; & dated 1910, 1 Eskadron, Granitur1) Reich Rev. holster parts lite red brn E+
9) U.R.20 / II 1910 / 5.E.;(Ulanen Regiment 20, Granitur II,dated 1910, 5 Eskadron) J.M. ECKART/ ULM, Weimar rework brn E+
10) old mark R.U.05 (Reserve Ulanen Regiment, dated 1905); new mark B.A.XIX10 18.U.10 / 3 10 (Bekleidungsamt des XIX Armeekorps, 18 Ulanen Regiment, dated 1910, Eskadron 3,Waffe 10); Reich Rev. holster parts lite brn E+
1911 DATED HOLSTERS
10.3) AWM/3/11 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1911) red brn E+
10.4) AWM/3/11 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1911) red brn E+
10.6) D 13/1911 (Dragoner-Regiment 13; dated 1911) F. BIERENBREIER / KEHL A/RH; 1911 red brn E
11) A.R.13 (Field Artillerie Regiment 13); J.M. ECKART / ULM / 1911; Reich Rev. holster parts maroon E
11.5) B.A.III., T.III (Bekleidungsamt des III Armeekorps, &Train-Bataillon III Armeekorps ). 1912, maker marked/1911 black E
12) 20.J.R. / 1912; AWM / 3 / 11 (20 Infantrie Regiment, date 1912, & Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1911) red brn E
13) T.B.17. B.A.XVII; (Train-Bataillon 17, Feldbackereikolonne & Bekleidungsamt des XVII Armeekorps) FOURAF ? BERLIN / 1911 lite brn E+
13.5) T.B.17., B.A.XVII (Train-Bataillon 17, Feldbackereikolonne & Bekleidungsamt des XVII Armeekorps) , 1911, F. COBU BERLIN, brn E
14) xxxxx? / ELBERFIELD 1911 dk brn E
1912 DATED HOLSTERS
4) AWM/2 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen 1912), N. BURGHARD / PASING redbrn E-
10.5) AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912); M.ZOTZ /SATTLER /LANDAU / PFALZ/12 (Landau is the home base for the Bavarian 5 Field Artillerie Regiment). red brn E+
10.52) 17JR, AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912); M.ZOTZ /SATTLER / LANDAU / PFALZ/12 red brn E+
10.55) 1.I.R. / 2 C, I B (1 Infanterie Regiment, 2 Company, 1 Bataillon); AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912) red brn E
14.5) C/M, M / ANCHORA, DAHL/BARMEN/1912 4" Navy blk fair
14.7) 13.J.R., 3 B , B ST N (13 Infanterie Regiment, 3 Bataillon, Bavarian Strafanstalten Nurenburg?), 10/12, AWM/16/12 (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 16, 1912)rd brn E+
15.5) 20FsAR., II B, 7L., BA.IX (20 Fuss-Artillerie-Regiment, Bataillon II., 7 Landsturm ?, Bekleidungsamt des IX Armeekorps) 1912, Rudolf Wiemer&Co./Mülheim-Ruhr brn E
1913 DATED HOLSTERS
16) "29":R III. B.(29 Infanterie Regiment) ; G. LESCHEN / MILIT-EFFEKTEN / FABRIK / COLON- DEUTZ / 1913 red brn E
17) G.G.R.2 / 1913(Garde- Grenadier-Regiment 2 dated 1913 ; M.BECKERXXX? / BERLIN 1913 dark burgandy E
(first G. poorly stamped, looks like C)
17.5) R.46., B.A.V./1913(Regiment 46,Bekleidungsamt des X Armeekorps) , JULIUS ARNADE / MOYS /1913 dk. brn E+
18) 2.Ch.R. / 1913; AWM/ 3 /13 B (2 Chevaulegers Regiment, dated 1913, Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1913) red brn E+
19) AWM / 9 / 13 B (Artillerie-Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 9, 1913), red brn, E+ With 3.30 markedtool (IL p. 38)
20) 9 IR MGK AWM / 9 / 13 B (9 Infanterie Regiment; Machinengewehr-kompagnie, Artillerie- Werkstatt Munchen, Workshop 3, 1913 ) red brn E+
21) 2.D.R.26. / 2ES (2 Wurtt. Dragoner-Regiment 26, 2 Esquadron).; J.M. ECKART / ULM / 1913 brn E
21.1) KR/1913 (Saxon Karibiner Regiment date 1913), ERNST SIEGEMUND/DRESDEN 1913 (Note: Dresden is the location of the Eastern Saxony Army Corpe Headquarters, XII) blk E+
21.5) T.B.4./1913(Train-Bataillon 14, Feldbackereikolonne dated 1913), maker marked/1913
21.7) J.B.9. M.G. I. /1913 (Jager Batillon 9, Machinegewehr-Kompagnie, Granitur I dated 1913)F.H. Thieme/Magdenburg/1913 brn E
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I also have a number of undated holsters but it is hard to determine exactly where they fit in.
Jan
I also have a number of undated holsters but it is hard to determine exactly where they fit in.
Jan
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Now I know where all of the early Imperial Luger holsters are.
Nice collection.
Nice collection.
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Jan, I know how you store your guns, but how and where do you store your holsters?
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