A discussion elsewhere on these Forums (http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8356) has dredged up the attempt at an Erfurt c/RC marked parts survey. I'm interested so I'll run this survey, in hopes that more data shows up than last time.
There have been an number of good responses, and I have mined the Forums for data (there are a surprising number of good reports). The database is complex enough that it is easiest to snapshot the spreadsheet and present it here (current as of 6/15):
Trigger plate-exterior
Trigger plate-trigger lever
Takedown lever
Anywhere else not specified
Since there were a number of DWM c/RC marks reported I am including them and looking for more.
Thanks very much to everyone who has responded so far. If anyone else has information to add, please post the information here or email me dwightg@pacifier.com . I will continue to update the database post every so often.
Thanks very much for the info. I am about to post some results here, can you confirm that the 1917 sn7365 suffix is truly j? This letter was not used as a letter suffix, and if it truly is that letter it is worthy of note.
Dwight. 1917 Erfurt 5571 j, front trigger guard,left side barrel, breech block, receiver replaced with navy receiver. 1917 Erfurt 7277k front of trigger guard, rear toggle,left side of barrel,rt receiver,breech block. ( suffix definately j ) Bill
Dwight...thanks for researching the C/RC markings..
1) 1914 Erfurt LP08 3602 a has NO C/RC proofs:
2) 1917 Erfurt 4149 (f???)(Simson Rework) Extensively renumbered
Barrel cut down from un-numbered Artillery and numbered to receiver.
Entire toggle train is Eufurt numbered "23" that is restamped to "49"
Middle toggle link has C/RC proof.
Receiver is numbered 4149, has C/RC above first (hardness) proof on right side.
Frame has obvious edge indicating it was milled, between serial number and lowercase "f". I believe it is a DMW frame that was milled so the "4149" could be stamped on it. No evidence of a previous number stamping remains. Therefore the "4149 f" number was an end result of Simson putting a receiver with an number on it together with an unmarked barrel and then marking the barrel to the reciever, then taking another frame and milling it to add the "4149" reciever number to make the pistol a "matching numbers" one....the "f" was on the previously used DWM frame. (Every part but the holdopen is now "49" on this pistol...the holdopen is "22". The sideplate has the commercial/early number "43" on the lower edge and is stamped on the side with "49" in the military fashion.
I say this because there is NO Crown Proof on the front of the trigger guard...if anyone knows the particulars of the odd stampings in the well on the frame to discern the DWM from the Erfurt types, please let me know.
Thanks for the info also. The only person I know of who has done a front frame well mark survey is Charlie Sorrentino, he ran it many years ago in Auto Mag and I haven't seen a published result. If you report what is in the well of your frame someone may be able to compare it to their own gun. I would say, however, that the lack of a trigger guard inspector's stamp is prima facie evidence of a DWM origin.
There have been quite few posts and emails of c/RC details, and I have mined Imperial Lugers</u> and Weimar Lugers</u> for c/RC marks. This has more than doubled the data, so I have edited the top post to include the current spreadsheet. The photo notation indicates that all views were not always available for examination.
Continued thanks to everyone who has participated.
I have discovered something interesting. Your sheet shows 1917 #9745 e with a broken crown. I have 1917 #9749 e with crown intact. 1917 #4261 g has broken crown.This one is also in my collection.
1914 4" sn 963 b
C/RC left side of barrel
C/RC trigger guard
The 9745e/broken crown is a transcription error, thanks for catching it and for your other info. Error corrected on my database, it will show up here the next time I update.
Dwight,
I have 4" barrel,1917 Erfurt,# 7615g,and it has the C/RC,on the following;
Barrel, above insp.mark.
Receiver, above hardness mark.
Toggle train,center.
Toggle train,rear.
Frame,trigger guard.
I'm sorry it's taken so long to get you this info.
I'll double check my others this evening...
Respectfully,
Mark
the RC mark indicates that there was a dimensional deviation at the trigger guard.
The RC stamp was always placed directly on or close to the dimension which was complained.
Hi Dwight
ERFURT P.08. 1918. #40++m. C/RC marks on: 1) Reciver above hardness mark. 2) Toggletrain center. 3) Frame on trigger guard.
4) Triggerplate-exterior.
Reg. Sej-gun.
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