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Ever Noticed This Tiny Notch?

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#1 ·
It’s present on all Luger breech blocks, though the shape and depth vary. Here’s a sample, shown in order (left to right): P.04 DWM Navy, First Issue DWM P.08, Erfurt P.08, Simson P.08, and Mauser byf P.08. Can you tell its purpose?
(I had to "call a friend" to find out).
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#7 ·
The gun is completely matching and yes, conditions of all parts are congruent with one another and properly Erfurt proofed (including the ejector, both grip screws, and even the S-link). I had to go back to work and leave the gun at home so I can always look in a few hours when I get home for anything else.
 

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#14 ·
Is it possible the lack of it on the early pistols is related to the fact they used bullets that were truncated cones rather than round nose?
 
#19 · (Edited)
I’ve been experimenting!

(1) A fresh 9mm round was placed under a snap cap (for safety).
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(2) As the Luger’s toggle was held back by the hold-open latch, the magazine was inserted into the grip.
(3)The toggle was pulled back by hand to its extreme rearward position and then released suddenly.
(4) The magazine was removed, and the round inside was inspected. The pictures below show the markings left by the bolt (point of initial impact).

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The rear edge of the tiny bevel (notch immediately behind the hold-open cut) left a mark on the case neck just before the bullet. It appears that the back of the notch strikes very close to the top edge of the brass first, before the bolt belly touches the body of the round and drags across the round while it’s still in the magazine.

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Here’s how another fresh 9mm round—sitting directly below the top magazine round being chambered—looked after four repetitions of the above experiment. Sort of exaggerating the point of initial impact markings. Note that the round has rotated slightly during this second experiment.

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On the Luger I used, the notch behind the hold-open lip is generous, measuring 2mm in length. Without it, the sharp edge of the hold-open cut on the bolt would strike the bullet directly, latch onto it, and then attempt to push it forward—potentially causing a jam on the feed ramp while another round is being chambered.

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I’ve been discussing* the purpose of this tiny notch with @G.T. , and here’s what he had to say (posted with permission): "I'm almost certain it involves the sharp edge requiring some relief so it doesn't stall and catch on the bullet! I've actually had this happen and I had to put the relief on the breech block to cure the jam. Also, the relief cuts vary greatly, not a lot of time spent on accuracy, any bevel was enough … just so you are aware of it, the round next under the breech block moves back and forth rather dramatically just like a little hammer! When it drags forward it causes a jam on the feed ramp, best GT“

* [Edit] Also had ongoing discussion on it with @SegaDreamcast, and a brief exchange with @Doubs.