[Fritz]

Weapons over which one finds hardly anything in the literature, are the pistols of the company Franz Stock in Berlin.

The weapons offered in Cal. 22lr,6,35mm and 7,65mm came onto the market shortly after the first World War.

After the literature these pistols were built until the early thirties.
This cannot be correct.

There have been two different variations of the weapon in the caliber 7.65 mm, in which model 2 appears more streamlined at the outer phenotype . Nothing was changed at the construction.

After my observations the models changed in the area of SN 32.000.
SN 33.999 shows the Crown /N proof.
The weapon on hand (SN 34.402) is the so far highest SN registered by me shows the E/N proof
It has been proofed in spring 1940. # 33999 is without any proof !!
Obviously these pistols were produced until the forties.

Who can help with further data?
Every help is accepted gratefully.

Fritz

Franz Stock model 1 and 2

 

[Frank]

Hi Fritz, I have a Franz Stock, the same appearance as your Model 1 Photo with a squared front on the frame. S/N 10005. Let me know if you have any other questions!

 

[Marschall]

Hello,
I have seen Mod. 1 # 6863 (1921?) with crown/N proof.
Dieter.

 

[sauerfan]

Fritz,

thanks for showing me your e/N Stock on Tuesday.... Had been a wonderful evening. Well, I will begin to make some research about model II Stock pistols. But could you please restore the "vanished" photos and show also a model I for comparison? Thanks in advance!

Regards

Martin

 

[Guest_V]

Mentioned in "Handbuch der Handfeuerwaffen" (Bock/Weigel), pages 241/257. Introduced in 1925 and gained a reputation as a superlative sports pistol.

 

[sauerfan]

Patrick,

that is an interesting point. Just because the Stock pistol isn't mentioned with any word in the book of Gerhard Bock "Moderne Faustfeuerwaffen und ihr Gebrauch" (modern hand held weapons and their use), third edition of 1941, while in the second edition (1923) of the very same book the Stock pistol (first model) is described thoroughly (pages 218 to 223). Moreover, the "master of German pistol literature" , G. Bock, is pictured on several "how to make it perfect" photos showing the right way to point, draw, cary and so on a pistol – on these photos (also present in the 1941 edition) he is using nothing but a Stock pistol. Bock wrote in 1932 another book "Pistolenschießen in Notwehr" (pistol shooting in self-defence). From this book I took the Stock ad shown hereinafter.

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What makes this ad intersting is the remark "Bei Behörden eingeführt", what might be translated with "Accepted by authorities". I don't know, which authorities, but I guess, the ad refers to the police.

BTW: for my opinion, collectors of German pre-war pistols MUST have the Bock books – at least, second and third edition of "Moderne Faustfeuerwaffen und ihr Gebrauch". Well, the first edition (1911) is interesting also….

Anyway: should I have understand Fritz correctly, he is after information regarding the scecond Stock model</u>!

Fritz: sorry to note, I haven't found anything showing/describing/advertinsing the "streamlined" model 2. It is not in Akah's 1940 catalog, it is not in Bock, nor in any other source I checked.

Regards

 

[jager]

2nd model here:

No affliation with seller.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=226822325

 

[jps-s]

Hi Guys! The STOCK - Sport- und Scheibenpistole Kal. 22/5.6mm lang für Büchsen .... RM 60, having a 190mm barrel, 10 shot magazine, is shown in the May, 1938 Geco catalog/price list Nr.70 on page 15. Naturally it would have Crown N nitro proofing. It has the same frame as the Cal. 7,65mm pistol, but the slide is different. JIM

 

[Dwight]

Hello everyone. I am new to this site. I have been searching the web for information on a Franz Stock Berlin that i just got from my Dad. I enjoyed reading all the posts from you people. I just wanted to share with you what I have and hopefully learn something. I see that this gun is the 1st model and is 7.65 cal (32 auto). The Serial # seems to be lower that others here, it being 5843. It is in very good condition. Can anyone here tell me the date that it was made? One other thing is that it will jam if I fill the mag with 8 rounds, all the time, and sometimes, if I load 7. It works very well if I only load 6 in the mag. I was told that this is not uncommon with several different models.

Dwight

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

I see they are averaging about $400 (asking price) on Gunbroker. Kind of interested in acquiring one myself but would like to know more about the ins and outs of them

 

[Fritz]

The posting is restored and updated now.

Fritz

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

I see they are averaging about $400 (asking price) on Gunbroker. Kind of interested in acquiring one myself but would like to know more about the ins and outs of them

Going to reply to myself, I finally picked one up.

It came from Gunbroker with almost no finish and a damaged left grip. I gave it a once-over

* left grip went from missing a chunk to shattered, it did not survive the trip

* Magazine is not correct, someone mentioned Colt 1903 magazines could used with some modification, thats probably what happened here.

* Recoil and firing pin springs look new, but whoever swapped them in left a chunk of the oid firing pin spring. I removed it and it seems to function better.

What a nifty little pistol! The takedown is simple, the quality is outstanding, and it just looks cool.

Had to shell out $$$ at the Maryland Arms Collector Show for a set of grips and correct magazine (the vendor had a spare right grip but no left). I'm going to have Evans Obsolete Screws either clean up or duplicate the grip screws, and see about making a new breechblock cap.

I'll make a silk purse out of this one yet.

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

Got the magazine, this one has a small intertwined "FS" on the bottom and fits like a glove.

Haven't tried the grips yet, I'm going to need to screws cleaned up or new ones made.

 

[Clarence Birdseye]

Did you ever obtain one?

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

Obtain which? Yes on the pistol, correct magazine, and grips, just one small snag...

I contacted the artist formerly known as Evans Obsolete Screws and had a set made from my ratty grip screws and the reproduction grips for reference. In the meantime I found the correct grips. So when the screws came back, they were way too long because the repro grips are too thick (they don't sit flush with the lugs that go into the magazine will cutouts and thus hit the magazine).

Once I get the screws back, I'll get everything back together.

I can also take photos and post them here. I am very impressed with the reproduction screw they made for the back of the breechblock.

 

[rushcolt32]

Hello,

I have what you are referring to as Model 1 units in serial numbers 57xx and 67xx both with crown N proofs, each has "Germany" stamped in different locations,[
both have Berlin D.R.P. markings....Deutschland Republik Produktion... I also have what your referring to as a Model 2, serial number 318XX, crown N proof, NO D.R.P. marking. Curious as most of the years...how did you know your particular specimen was proofed in 1940? It seems odd to me that I have seen the Model 1 guns in the 5000-10100 range, none above that, then the model 2 guns always in the 30000 and up range....wondering if they skipped a large serial number group in between model 1 and 2. Do you know of any guns between 14,000 and 30000? thanks...interesting forum.

QUOTE=Fritz;390]Weapons over which one finds hardly anything in the literature, are the pistols of the company Franz Stock in Berlin.

The weapons offered in Cal. 22lr,6,35mm and 7,65mm came onto the market shortly after the first World War.

After the literature these pistols were built until the early thirties.
This cannot be correct.

There have been two different variations of the weapon in the caliber 7.65 mm, in which model 2 appears more streamlined at the outer phenotype . Nothing was changed at the construction.

After my observations the models changed in the area of SN 32.000.
SN 33.999 shows the Crown /N proof.
The weapon on hand (SN 34.402) is the so far highest SN registered by me shows the E/N proof
It has been proofed in spring 1940. # 33999 is without any proof !!
Obviously these pistols were produced until the forties.

Who can help with further data?
Every help is accepted gratefully.

Fritz

Franz Stock model 1 and 2[/QUOTE]

 

[Henri]

I only have one Franz Stock, cal. 6.35, a like new jewel surrendered by a older female when U.S. Forces arrived at Neuschwanstein looking for stolen art works 1945 Ser.108XX Thanks.. Henri........

 

[GonzoGeezer]

Apparently a moribund thread, so I will add my recent acquisition, #99xx. 765mm, Crown/N, a so-called “Model 1”.

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

My restoration is moribund as well!

Short version is that I think the threads on the frame might be stripped, or someone forced the wrong size grip screw in. Need the correct thread size/pitch

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

Bumping with a request:

Can anyone measure their grip screws to give me the dimensions? In particular need the thread pitch