[fogman7]

Just bought this one, it has the "A" in a circle instead of the Hungarian crest. It has a numbered holster with D.R.G.M. under the flap on the outside of the leather and one numbered magazine. Need help with some of the other markings. I have been told where "fake", but with the german marking under the flap, i dont know. Anyway it goes it is a keeper for me. 35xxxx is the serial. WaA63 was for mauser Obendorf from 1935-1939 and i see the German eagle is the same size as the stamp the they used there.

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[Jan C Still]

Derek
Excellent photographs and presentation.

I have never examoned such a Nazi proofed and accepted Frommer Stop and holster. I am not familiar with the eagle swastika proof or the E/WaA63 (E/63 is common) stamp used on this pistol. I would appreciate any information availabe. Are there others reported.
Thanks
Jan

 

[broten]

The stamps on this Frommer are exactly the same as those on stamping punches recently offered for sale in one of the gun trade publications. NAPCA members can look at a copy of the ad in the June 2003 issue of AutoMag, page 51. Without a close inspection of the gun in question, to determine if the stamps were recently done, I would be skeptical.

Merv

 

[Guest]

I've seen exactly</u> the same type of stamps on an import stamped Hungarian M-95 Carbine I recently purchased.

Could the pistol have been manufactured for export sale to Portugal? I understand from a friend that similar markings (triangle/circle) are found on the front of the trigger guard of some Portugese Savage contract pistols. Just a thought.

Bob T.

 

[fogman7]

The holster markings are all german. D.R.G.M. and the seal from Albrecht Kind underneath as well. Sure are a lot of things that point that way. Also the stamps are underneath the blueing and the WaA63 was for Mauser Obendorf from 1935-1939 and the bird and swastika on the pistol are correct for obendorf.

 

[Jan C Still]

The proof and WaA stamp don’t even look close to any original stamp that I have examined . They look fake! According to AUTO MAG the identical stamps are available for sale! If they are under the blue then the gun has almost certainly been refinished. If the stamps on the gun are fake then the holster is also.

Apparently, I am completely missing something here. Please let me know what it is?

Jan C. Still

 

[sauer]

The Eagle/WaA63 is a metal stamp available from Numrich (Guns Parts Corperation)as item number DF811650, so I must assume this is a fake. Please note that the pictures show only the lower portion of the stamp. That's because there is no "head" on the eagle, just wings. I wonder if Numrich has other WaA stamps???

 

[fogman7]

there is a head but real lite

 

[sauer]

The Numrich stamp has no head on the eagle, only the wings. They also offer a large eagle over swastika stamp which looks just like the stamp on the inside of your holster done with ink.