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Hello all ,
This thread will attempt to show examples of original eagles-eagle 2's on HK's . As is apparent numerous different ones were used and the application AND upkeep of the stamps by the Luftwaffe inspectors was not good . This will show as patterns as this study progresses . Feel free to voice your concerns and add more to this as I certainly don't know all .

These two little guys feel left out of the dark side thread so here's the first two of the good side , Pigeon toed left foot and dislocated right foot . If you look close on the mag pic list both of these guys show up plenty on good mags .

First is Pigeon toed left foot . Notice the in pointing toe on his left foot . Real easy to spot .

The second is dislocated right foot . Notice the leg hits way up on the upper right of the foot . Also notice his left foot is bunched up to the right .


2/28/19 ADDING The second and third type E2's . Gibson calls them early , mid and late and we will also . The mid and late ones start on page 5 .

Mid is the one that looks like a penguin .

 

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Compare the right wing top between 6486,6748 and 6589 . Pretty safe bet they were accepted into inventory pretty close to each other .

 

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Pete , Thanks a bunch again and you can clearly see his left " pigeon toe " in your pics . Sorry bout being a PC novice and making more work for you . On the dark side I like the one that could be called " beer belly 2 " the best . Dave

 

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More examples of " dislocated right foot " E2

More examples of " dislocated right foot " to look at .

This seems to be the most common mag E2 in my studies .

Note the ones like 5310 with a tilted strike really show the goofed up right leg-foot joint .

Sorry bout not having Petes magic touch but I really am trying .

Getting ready to add a third one hopefully this weekend .

Dave
Added pics of 5229 and a excellent condition example
Added a pic of mag 11567 with a well used DRF E2
Added a pic of mag 5834 with a heavily double struck and slightly rotated DRF E2

 

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This pair is not either of the two types shown SO FAR . Their will be more to come but I want to be careful with this .

#7932

 

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Old dislocated right foot a little worse for the wear . Late gun [ 1943 ] too !

 

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Star Foot

This guy seems to be on later ones only . Very interesting on taudelts pair is they appear to have been accepted into inventory with some in-between them as the acceptance E2 stamp is slightly more worn on one . Also shows how much different a heavy strike and a weak strike appear . Left one is much weaker than the right one .
Kinda answers some questions for me .

Now to be clear I do not have an example of this E2 personally as some know I decimated my HK collection buying land 15-20 years ago . Used to have numerous mags and it was fun to me comparing the markings . I have placed numerous ads wanting to buy mags to have the different markings again but I have gotten exactly ZERO calls on them . Oh well waddya do ? You stagger on and use pics but again I do not personally have this proof on one .
I will ad more of this guy later .

Busy weekend with most snow gone now . Dave

CLICK 3X for much bigger pics

 

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tool and gun E2

This " splayed leg " E2 is not normally seen on mags but Gibson pages 91 and 92 shows them to be common on gun parts . Pic is not straight on so it looks slightly distorted but straight on it is fine . Note the " 2 " is typical HK Z " looking and the stamp is of course chipped out some and slightly peened .


ADDING
Pic of another tool E2 that was reviewed here and given a thumbs up by Klaus . A little different wear wise but for sure similar .

I will keep adding more of this E2 as I find them . Seems to be common on guns - NOT mags .

 

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Just added a couple excellent examples of " dislocated right foot " E2 in post 8 .

Just added another tool E2 pic 8/30/16

 

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New guy

Here's a little run of matching E2's . New E2 also .

ADDING - mag 4268 should be here also but I cannot get the pic onto my PC .
ADDING - mag 4842 WITH A FAKE "+" but a good mag
Gottit - Thanks Pete
ADDING 8/1/17 - 4724 and 4288 with matching E2's
ADDING 8/21/17- ​4627 as it belongs

 

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Thanks again Pete and Grant for this little fella . Grant's comment in the mag thread about messed up wings got me looking closer to find this E2 and Pete as usual for PC help .

 

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​Pete ,

Thanks again for all your help .

Your " cowboy E2 " on the bad side thread should be removed as he has friends here . Note the bowed left leg on some and also the right wing top and middle feather . Different levels of deterioration but it sure looks to be the same stamp to me .

TO ALL this is a work in progress so feel free to voice opinions .

 

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​Pete ,

Here's some observations from the PICS . This would be much better in hand as angles and depth of strike REALLY CHANGE how these look .

BUT this what I have to work with and you want evidence for " cowboys " parole from "oinker land" hearing .

First is left wing center feather short .
All 7 show this .

Second is left wing inner feather short .
All but 4790 show this .

Third is left leg bowed .
All show this with 4780 being real weak ?

Fourth is right wing center feather .
Appears to be gone on 4018 , 4610 and 4842 .
Trace of it on 4780 and 4790 .
Very weak on 4685 and weak on 4268 .

Fifth is the upper wing .
Appears intact on 4018 and 4790 .
Missing inner section right side on 4268 , 4610 , 4685 , 4780 and 4842 .
Missing left upper curl on 4268 , 4685 and 4842 .

Sixth is the center circle doubled - overlapped left side and right side .
Right side shows this on 4018 , 4610 , 4685 , 4790 and 4842 .
Also a trace of it on 4268 .
Left side shows this on 4018 , 4610 , 4790 and 4842 .
Also a trace of it on 4268 .

Seventh is doubling of the strike . This is evident on 4018 , 4268 and 4685 .



I respectfully submit this on behalf of " cowboy E2 " for his upcoming parole hearing .

And again this is only from these pics and AGAIN angles and depth of strike really make these look different .

Dave

 

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One in every crowd !!!! OK then his re-trial with new evidence .

Dave,

Cowboy E/2...parole would mean he is still guilty but released for good deeds and promise of future good deeds.

Pulling your chain, of course.

 

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Bob ,
Do you have other examples EXACTLY like the one you reference ?

My issue with them is A - they are seldom seen and B - they all seem different .

I agree mag 4842 looks good [ pic is terrible ] and the E2 on it sure fits into this little run .

Maybe post this as a question on the mag bottom thread as this one is about eagles .

Dave

IMO the + on HK mag #4842 is correct as is the mag.
Bob

 

[1933 FORD NUT]

Bob ,
You have brought up repeatedly that you feel the "+" marks on some HK mags are real .

Would you please offer something to support this .

I have made it clear I think these are POST PRODUCTION and the fact they all seem different is troublesome to say the least .

Dave

IMO the + on HK mag #4842 is correct as is the mag.
Bob

 

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Adding this [ 5834 right pic] E2 to the " dislocated right foot " examples in post 8 . It is a bit messed up from being double struck and slightly rotated in one of them . Look at the right upper wing ,the feathers and the 2 and it is also struck real hard . It is called " Hercules " E2 in post 236 of the mag study thread and is also in posts 237 and 238 . The left pic is an excellent example of " DLRF " .

 

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Couple more tools that passed muster with the troops . Both E2's are messed up with pics 2 and 3 being taudelts " old half wing " example .

 

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Pidgeon toed left foot matches








Pete just added the first pic to the mag thread and it is obviously re-numbered but the " PLF " E2 sure matches these two well .

ADDING another matching PLF E2

ADDING 12/21/16 Here's one from Gibsons book on a gun .

 

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some more " DLRF " E2's

​Here's some more " DLRF " E2's . Some mags are renumbered etc but they are here for the E2's .