Jan C. Still Lugerforums banner
1 - 10 of 10 Posts
G

·
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I was recently offered one pistol HAERENS TOJHUS, model 1911. The seller says that it was not shot; the gun is originally packed with original holster and one packet of original ammunition.
As I am not familiar with this kind of gun, I would be very glad for any information concerning technical specifications and price.
Many thanks
Franz
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,402 Posts
Franz
As I recall, the HAERENS TOJHUS, model 1911, is a copy of the Bergman Bayard made in Denmark. If all matched and excellent plus original condition, I would estimate that it would be worth $1500 to $3000 with origonal holster and packet of ammunition. Photographs would be a big help. A photograph of a Bergman Bayard is shown on page 320 of Axis Pistols.
 
G

·
Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Jan,
Many thanks for information.
I have not seen the pistol; I got just some description from the seller. For sure, a picture would be more explicit. I was promised to get some next week and than I shall post them.
Franz
 
G

·
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Jan,
As promised, here are some pictures I received from the seller. He says that the conservation stuff on the gun and ammunition is the original one. Hardly to believe, but I have no idea how was the original shipment.
Please advise.
Franz

Download Attachment: P133.jpg
60.3KB


Download Attachment: P113.jpg
68.26KB

Download Attachment: P122.jpg
40.08KB

Download Attachment: P127.jpg
68.71KB
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,402 Posts
Franz
The HAREMS TOJHUS 1910/21 shown in your photographs is the one made by Denmark. The holster is correct type for this pistol.

I know little about the ammunition. The blue label appears to be the same type as found on German war time 9mm Parabellun (P08) ammunition.
Jan
 
G

·
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Recently I read an excellent article about the pistol at the site http://www.hoba.cz/index.php?c=clanek&search=haerens&command=view&id=75. Unfortunately it is in Czech language and not having a permission I cannot mention any part without authorization of Jan “HOBA” Balcar who has a copyright. Moreover, Jan suspended his advisory help to collectors. If he reads this article, maybe he could say a word (or give me a permission to use his knowledge here for just this one pistol).
Franz
 
G

·
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Recently I read an excellent article about the pistol at the site http://www.hoba.cz/index.php?c=clanek&search=haerens&command=view&id=75. Unfortunately it is in Czech language and not having a permission I cannot mention any part without authorization of Jan “HOBA” Balcar who has a copyright. Moreover, Jan suspended his advisory help to collectors. If he reads this article, maybe he could say a word (or give me a permission to use his knowledge here for just this one pistol).
Franz
 
G

·
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
With kind permission of Jan and with my limited knowledge of both, English and Czech terminology, let me interpret what Jan says in his article (this is not a translations, I just picked some facts concerning Haerens Tojhus):
Extract:
1. The Bayard's pistol model 1910 supplied to Denmark was marked as follows:
<center>ANCIENS ETABLISSEMENTS PIEPER
HERSTAL - LIEGE
BERGMANN´S PATENT</center>
2. There were 4,850 pistols supplied in total.
3. In 1921, the Danish (government) decided to buy the rights and they began production of the pistols in a state owned factory under the Bergmann’s licence.
4. Between 1922 and 1924, the factory produced only 900 pieces in total, which were marked on the left hand side of slide:
<center>HAERENS TOJHUS
1910 / 21</center>
End of Extract.
(Sorry Jan not to have translated even the small part of your article word by word, although it would be a worth it. Terrible lack of time, my project is approaching final stage)

Jan’s article about Bergmann-Bayard M 1910/21 has four full size pages filled with facts. (Furthermore, there are over 100 highly specialised articles on his website with a lot of interesting information and pictures. Maybe once I retire, I will find a way to help Jan in his effort to pass at least a small part of his knowledge to the world of collectors - if he will be interested, of course).
Franz
 
1 - 10 of 10 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top