[Guest]

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This Luger was my grandfathers who brought it back from WWII. I'm trying to find out where and when and whom he got it from by reviewing all the old war documents he has. I suspect he killed a german for it. He had kept it with a german booklet, a badge, the holster, the bullets, the magazine and the tool. It appears that all numbers match. Just wonering if you can help me out by looking at the pictures and also give me a value of the gun. Not looking to sell, but just curious. Thanks, and let me know if the link works.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Scott welcome to the forum!

This is a Weimar Police Luger, but here is a bit of history we can add.

It was orginally made in 1918 by DWM for WW1, then after WW1, it was "property marked" 1920. This is not a date stamping, but a Reichwehr property stamp. (you can do a search for 1920 and se other examples of this on the forum under the Weimar era pistols). Then the gun was taken in by the police, and during the nazi era it received a sear safety.

Sear Safety Example, bar at top, some received a mag safety, yours does not have one, mag safety at bottom:

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BTW, you can post here on this forum and then the pictures would stay as long as the posting stays.

Value, if all matching is probably $800-$1000 for the pistol, and another $150 for the holster...

Something interesting is the . after the serial number and after many of the last two of the serial number???

Also, this number on the barrel, can you do a close up or larger of it? And the marking under the serial??



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Also, the K.Li.80 (I believe it is a Li??)

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But I beleive it is;
K = Kriminalpolizei (detective police force)
Li = city of Liegnitz

and the 80 would equal weapon number 80 (maybe not luger #80, but lugers, rifle, bayonet, etc).



Ed

 

[Guest]

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Wow, you know your stuff. Glad I found this website. Here is the close up, the marking under the barrel is the german eagle, and under it is what looks like 5U.25 or SU.25

 

[Guest]

Also, do you have any idea what the booklet is??

 

[donmaus]

Scott,

See this thread: http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=841

The character that looks like a reversed "J" has really not been identified. I seriously doubt that this is a Prussian mark. I'm also puzzled by the fact that the s/n on the barrel appears to be 1033b, while that on the frame is 103b. I know that the barrel proof of an eagle over Su25 has significance. Hopefully, someone who knows more about them will chime in.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Don, It does look the same, once I compared the two. This is what Fritz stated:

quote:In my collection is the Erfurt 1916/1920 double date Luger # 7266a with replacement barrel numbered to the pistol marked E/ SU25 and sear safety. Grip strap is marked K.L.J. 120.

I would like to see a better picture of the barrel number, but the SU25 is interesting and you'll see it on a luger I posted recently.

 

[donmaus]

Ed,

Several of the posts for these Lugers include stories about how they were obtained. A good research topic for you?

 

[Guest]

So I have #80 of this group. Noone can confirm where they came from though??

 

[tomathvl]

The Eagle over SU25 is shown in Costanzo on Pg.349 and listed as being the marking on a replacement barrel. There are two additional Eagle over SU25 on page 82 that are listed as Simpson/Ulbricht proofs for rework, repair and reissue of entire pieces. One of the markings is the same as the barrel marking on this piece and states "Found on 1918/20 DWM 4" Navy models reworked in 1921". The 2nd Eagle over SU25 which has a different shaped Eagle states "These models were reworked, repaired and reissued in 1933 for Amt. office number 25 military use. Note: Usually found on double dated chamber 1920, 1921".
Anyone ever seen the dot after the serial number???
Tom

 

[donmaus]

I know there's someone out there who knows all about the Soldbuch. I'd be interested as well.

sesegal99 - If this doesn't get an answer to your question, try clicking on "Search" and entering "soldbuch."

 

[Guest_V]

A "Soldbuch" is a German Wehrmacht paybook. It contains details of the individual soldier; change of rank, training, postings etc.

Patrick

 

[Guest]

Ed,
no city with the name "Liegnitz" in Germany maybe "Leipzig" !!!
Leizig is big enough for Kriminalpolizei station.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Thanks Hans, I am sure it was a "fat-fingered-typing-mistake"

Where is Leizig located? I was all over West Germany, Bremerhaven to Heidelberg many times...

Ed

 

[Guest_V]

Hans,

do not tell that to any traditional German. Liegnitz was in Silisia - which is now Poland. Even the Poles would admit that it is basically still a German town - famous for Frederick the Great´s military voctory - and for the industrial production of Sauerkraut. You can´t get much more German than that.

Patrick

 

[Guest_V]

Ed,

Hans meant to type Leipzig (in East Germany) - but like me, fingers get in the way. I meant to type "Silesia" and "victory".

Patrick

 

[Edward Tinker]

Thanks again Patrick, I apprecaite the deutch help.

Ed

 

[Guest]

Patrick,
" maybe Leipzig " I was not sure.