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Saw this in their online catalogue. Genuine? If so, is it worth the price?

Lot No. 2225
Luger Pistol Mod. 1900 monogrammed „GL“
owned by State President Julio A. Roca. SN 10000, fully numbered cal. 7.65 Para. No proof stamp. Unmarked barrel.Front toggle „DWM“, rear toggle „GL“ monogram, both gold filled at a later date. Brush blued; small parts and extractor strawed. Age darkened walnut grips. Nickel magazine with wooden base as new. Together with a reproduction box inlayed with green felt. Apart from tool, no other contents.
Condition as new with unmarked rewnewed blueing.
The pistol is part of the bequest of the late Argentinian State President, Army General Lulio A. Roca who received it as a present. Accompanied by an attested copy from the A4rgentinien Army Archive as proof of origin.
Condition 1 Euro 4.900,00

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Is this really the same gun?
The one on offer by Hermann Historica (they say) has been re-blued, the gold monogram inlay was added at a later date, the box is repro and only contains the take-down tool. Something fishy somewhere!

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Is this really the same gun?
The one on offer by Hermann Historica (they say) has been re-blued, the gold monogram inlay was added at a later date, the box is repro and only contains the take-down tool. Something fishy somewhere!

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Interesting observation, Villiers. This very luger, along with the "de Alvear" presentation luger created some controversy recently, I believe, on both Forums. The "de Alvear" piece was offered not too long ago on the Martin auction in San Francisco, but didn't sell. The piece shown here that is on Pheonix Investment Arms, was scrutinized as thoroughly as possible, especially by Albert Beliard. The re-blue issue was raised, along with its questionable origin. The bottom line appeared to be "buyer beware"!
 

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Interesting observation, Villiers. This very luger, along with the "de Alvear" presentation luger created some controversy recently, I believe, on both Forums. The "de Alvear" piece was offered not too long ago on the Martin auction in San Francisco, but didn't sell. The piece shown here that is on Pheonix Investment Arms, was scrutinized as thoroughly as possible, especially by Albert Beliard. The re-blue issue was raised, along with its questionable origin. The bottom line appeared to be "buyer beware"!
 

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The question arose here on this forum as to the reliability of dealers. Hermann Historica (and the other dealers mentioned) are above reproach - which just goes to show that it´s up to the buyer to have the necessary knowledge. And, considering the variety of Lugers and the complexity of the subject, "buyer beware" is the only solution.

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The question arose here on this forum as to the reliability of dealers. Hermann Historica (and the other dealers mentioned) are above reproach - which just goes to show that it´s up to the buyer to have the necessary knowledge. And, considering the variety of Lugers and the complexity of the subject, "buyer beware" is the only solution.

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Patrick,
With regard to whether this is the same gun, I think that if you look closely at the Phoenix gun you will agree that it too is a re-blue and the box is a repro.
 
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