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Hello to all. I am new to the group and rather new to firearms collection. I recently came into possession of a luger I simply have not been able to put much information onto and would be very grateful for any information you all can offer.

This luger has the following things I *can* tell you about it (I will follow with some pictures):

1. DWM Manufacture: DWM Stamp as the Chamber Inscription (Pic attached)
2. No Date Stamp. On any part of the gun.
3. Hohenzollorn Royal Crest: as Toggle Inscription. (Pic attached)
4. Matching numbers - 04 on all visible parts, and '2504 stamped below barrel in front of trigger guard.
5. What appears to be cyrillic lettering on the 'fire' setting of the safety, with no 'safe' lettering at all (Pic attached)
6. Right side has a small lion rampant, like the lion that's in the toggle crest. (pic attached)

Thank you again for any thoughts you might have on this. I am truly stumped.

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You have a 1908 Bulgarian Luger. There were apparently two contracts issued. The first included serial numbers 01-5000 and the second 01-5000 with the serial number followed by a capital letter "C". Thus, the total Bulgarian 1908's would be 10,000. An unusual feature is the lanyard loop being located at the base of the grip as well as the "DWM" inscription being over the chamber while the Crown/Rampant Lion in a shield crest is on the toggle. All were 4" barrel in 9mm. They were apparently made prior to WW1.

Yours appears to be original and in very nice condition. They are quite rare and if yours is all matching, you have a keeper... a quite valuable one at that. Congratulations on a nice find.

What is your serial number? With or without the letter "C"?
 
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I am assuming that the serial is what's at the base of the barrel, above the trigger guard. It is '2504' with no C, so it's the first run, number 2504. All other parts have matching numbers '04'

I'd say it's got about 90% of it's blueing left, maybe more. The only part that shows any serious chips is the left side panel above the triger (that is removed when you field strip the pistol). It's at about 70%; the rest of the gun's in solid shape.

Just curious, as I do not really plan to sell this gun (it was given to me by an old family friend who's since died of cancer), but what ballpark value does this gun have?
 

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Doubs has identified your Luger. Its a rare find. There is another (not in as nice shape as yours) Bulgarian Luger in the CENTRAL POWERS PISTOL ..... section under Bulgarian.
Jan
 
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I shoulda posted this first off, but Thanks a whole bunch for the I.D., Doubs. I can stop pounding my head into a brick wall now, which I must admit is a most relieving feeling!
 

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Hello Albeh,

Mr. Bob Adams (on his web site at : http://www.adamsguns.com/0p.htm) has one for sale with an asking of $ 2495.00. Yours seems to be in nicer condition so might have a bit more value.

The folks at the Blue Book Of Gun Values, recent 24th. edition, list your pistol on page 926 : at 90% at $ 1,000, at 95% at $ 1800, and at 98% at $ 2500; assuming factory original finish and all matching parts. The Blue Book values have seemed to "lag" real market and selling prices, though...tending to be a bit lower..IMO...
 
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Dear Pete:

Thank you for that info. I'm going to have to bookmark adamsguns - it looks like an interesting site. I appreciate the bluebook lookup too. I gotta get me one'o'them books :)

-Albeh
 

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Yes, serial number 2504 without the letter "C" would be part of the first contract. While your pictures don't show enough of the pistol to make a definite guess as to remaining finish, it looks to be more than 90% to me... unless the gripstraps are worn. Your friend must have thought a lot of you.
 
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Well I'd hate to be a tease... here goes, and I hope I dont overload the size limit on pics (I think I'm safe, but we'll cut out after just a couple.

Best thing about this pistol I couldn't take a picture of if I wanted to. The bore is absolutely brilliant. Not a pit or scuff on its surface.

I've got a couple other lugers, a 1940 mauser luger and a 1918 DWM, both in pretty much the same condition as this one (the 1940 might be just a bit better with its blueing - it's about perfect). I think this one takes the cake though for overall condition, ease of working the action, etc., and it looks to be the oldest. Go figure...


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hello i have been given a lugar by my brother-inlawit has a 1921 stamp on barrel . it is a byf can not find any byf info seen some on dwm i am not a long time collector can any one sugg any good books on subject thank you very much al kenyon [email protected] ser#4791
 

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Al, it would appear yours is a parts gun, still nice and a real luger, but byf's were much later than 1921.

Some of the best books on lugers are by Jan Still. Therer are others that are fun to read and have good info, but Jan's take you through the different time periods; Imperial Lugers, Weimar Lugers, Axis pistols and Third Reich Lugers.

Ed
 
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