[Fritz]

Imperial accepted Frommer Stop pistols are very hard to find and if you can find one, the pistol often shows a bad shape.
My first posting on this pistol in 2003 is lost in space.
So here are some new pics.
SNs registered by me are:
64 491
71 255
77 020
86 816
90 953
90 xxx
90 xxx
This serial number area suggests a larger delivery of these pistols to the Imperial Army.
This doesn't seem very probable due to the rareness of these weapons, though.

Who can give further notes?
Every answer is welcome.

Fritz


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Very small scriptic D over the Hungarien stamp.
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[Guest]

Fritz,

That is a beautiful example, and with an excellent holster. I am especially fond of the Frommer because of the unusual mechanism and would love to have one. In my opinion, the production suggested by the range of serial numbers you have collected seems low, (26000+) compared, for example, to about 1.2 million standard P-08's during WWI. The scarcity of the Frommer here in the US could be explained by the fact that our participation in the war was limited to the western front.

On a side note, I have heard that the Frommer will shoot .32 ACP ammunition. Can anyone confirm or refute this? KFS

 

[r_t_darc]

Here is my example again. I have seen several other Imperial
accepted Frommers offered on internet auction sites as well,
but they are certainly far from common.

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[r_t_darc]

By the way, I haven't fired mine, but have read that most
will function just fine with normal .32 acp ammunition.

 

[bayoned]

I just bought one today that has the identical proofs on the triggerguard web as the first pistol shown above. It is serial number 91853, wooden grips. It has the same small "fractur D".
It is somewhat worn shape with about 65% thinning blue.

I've been looking at Frommer-Stop pistols for quite awhile, and based on the photos in this post, bought this pistol. I wanted a WWI piece, not commercial or a post war.

Love this forum !!!!!
Regards, Ned

 

[r_t_darc]

Ned-

I hope that you enjoy your newest gun purchase!
I'm glad that we can help to kindle interest in these pieces of history by the sharing of photos and information among all of our forum members...

What other guns of yours can "tell a story" ?

Rich

 

[bayoned]

Well, when it rains, it pours. (I bought my first F-S yesterday, Imperial Proofed with Fractur. See above)

In my long prelimanary search looking at Frommers trying to figure them out, I have seen a fair number, and some of them in gun stores that I frequent.

Based upon what I have learned in the particular posting thread of issue dates, useage, and proof marks, I just HAD to go back to a store today that I visit very frequently to look AGAIN at their 5 Frommer-Stops. They've had these for quite a while, and I'd looked at them in detail MANY times.

So.......I just bought Serial number 73844 with the Imperial fractur inspection mark. It too has the identical marks of the first pistol in this thread. Plastic grips and the finish is worn to the point of being rated at 5% blue. But no pitting.

I'm justifying this additional F-S Imperial piece addition to my collection because it has plastic grips, where as the one I purchased yesterday had wood grips. (Hey, don't most of us do this?)

Of the other 4 pieces at the store, one was a bad reblue and couldn't see any clear marks, 1 had the Bp-shield, 1 had Bp-and 2 shields then a 2, and the last had nothing marked on the web. But no other Imperial marked pieces.

Again, this has been a great thread. Thanks for great info !!!!!

Regards, Ned

 

[jacobtowne]

What does the STOP in Frommer STOP mean?
JT

 

[r_t_darc]

Congratulations again, Ned. I, too, try to justify going
into depth by buying multiple versions of a single make
or model, even though I still have dozens of other guns
on my "shopping list" (or should I say my 'wish list' ?) .
Sometimes you have to grab a good bargain regardless.
I bid on an earlier Stop pistol with horn grips also,
but ended up losing out badly on that internet auction.

As for the meaning of Stop? I can't claim to know...

 

[Fritz]

Congratulations Ned,

wellcome to the - Frommer Stop Imperial accepted- club. You have done well, because these pistols are very hard to come by.
The question on the name is realy interesting. I don't know the answer and I'm looking forward to the following answers.

Fritz

 

[bayoned]

This is strictly conjecture, but based on my recent experiences with Frommer-Stop pistols.....I believe the "Stop" refers to the fact that once you buy the first one, you can't Stop !

 

[Fritz]

Bayoned,
That hits the nail on the head!

The official Austro-Hungarian term for this pistol is :

7,65mm Pisztoly 12M

and Frommer-Stop is a synonym.

Fritz

 

[r_t_darc]

Here is a better closeup view of my gun's acceptance stamp:

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As I understand it, there are three different versions of
German acceptance markings. This is the most common one.

The others are a Crown/D without any Bp in the circle,
and a circled Bp with double Crown/D stamps. I don't
have photos of these other two versions, unfortunately.
I believe both were pictured on the Old Forum, back
before it was hacked into & they were lost to us.

Rich M

 

[Waffensammler]

I´m not firm with Frommer Pistols. But as I believe the picture shows an german officier with a Frommer. Hope I´m right and you´ll like it.



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[bayoned]

Wow ! Great photo ! Too bad we can't see the left side of the pistol and see the serial number....I'd bet it was one of mine !!!!

r c. My serial # 73844 pistol has the German Fractur-D offset to the right of the Circled-Bp like yours.
My # 91853 has the Fractur-D directly above the Circled-Bp like Fritz's.

Regards, Ned

 

[Fritz]

Thank you very much men. I like this kind of input.

Fritz

 

[r_t_darc]

Thanks Waffen for your posting of a Frommer in use.
I would imagine that few such photos still survive.

Rich

 

[Waffensammler]

So you like it this much I´d scanned it again in a better quality (as I hope) an not only a part . Now you can see the whole picture. Christ ! I wish I were better in school........



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[r_t_darc]

Thanks again for the interesting view of the shooting range. I can't quite decide what rifles are in use. They appear to have full length handguards, so wouldn't be 98 Gewehrs, but don't look to have the large cocking pieces of 95 Steyrs, either. Would anyone else have a better I.D.?

Rich

 

[montenegrin]

The machinegun is definitely an Austrian (Austro-Hungarian) Schwarzlose; its standard caliber was 8mm Mannlicher (8x50R)so the rifles/carbines are possibly Mannlichers M95 of the same caliber. Also note that the machinegunner is wearing an Austrian type cap.
Regards, m.