[relics]

This is different.About 93% nice bore

 

[Yoebuff]

wow....very nice.....I must say its the first time I have encountered that JA 47 mark on the right side tang.

 

[relics]

yup i would say this one was arsenal refurbed in 1947 Interesting gun

 

[CJS57]

Does anyone have actual proof the JA47 mark is for arsenal rework? Seems like speculation based on the number 47 in it. How do the re-arsenalized believers account for the fact that the guns not factory refinished? Why are the JA47 guns only found with 1942 or 1943 dates? Just want to find the facts if they exist.

 

[relics]

I have all those questions to.As far as proof i think mine lends a little with the strike over the serial number. The barrel is 23667
which happens to be the serial number as the frame before it was over struck.And it does happen to have a ua 47 or ja 47 on it.The barrel being the same number as the frame may be more proof.Who knows maybe they sold the lot of them on the old shot gun news in the late 40s or 50s

 

[kanister]

After the war the guns for the Italian Air Force that were recovered from various souces;

were all verified and reworked and the mark UA47 (not JA47) means that this gun was reworked on 1947.(J is only a U broken die)
Another common mark was F.A.G. 47 or 48 or ... for the guns for the Army.

 

[relics]

Thanks for posting that. The Government needed money it would make sense to refurbish and sell left over guns.
I am led to believe this gun went threw that process!

 

[kanister]

The Government needed money it would make sense to refurbish and sell left over guns.

Some years ago, two or three, the Italian Air Force sold a bacht of about 28000 Beretta '34 and many were marked UA47.
Every gun was preserved in crates: from the refurbishing on 1947.

But not every gun with the UA47 came from this sale: many were sold also many years ago.

 

[relics]

I dont think any of the 28000 batch came into the USA.Or somone would have been selling them.We only
have the ones after ww2.Or they would be import marked

 

[relics]

I wonder how may F block AF M1934 Berettas they made

 

[kanister]

I wonder how may F block AF M1934 Berettas they made

Till today nobody has dug the Beretta's archives so this information is not known: we can only say that the AF put in order a number of Mod. '34 at the end of the 1942 and these were delivered between the 1942 and 1943.
Beretta produced about 60.000 units on 1942 and 40.000 on 1943, all in F block.

 

[relics]

Well the AF was made up of 12,000 pilots and aircrew, 6,100 non-flying officers and 185,000 other ranks in the Air Force in 1940. I can only think it must have been around 25,000 say to 35,000

 

[CJS57]

Nice discussion but still no facts or proof is given. The crates of guns info is great but the poster said there were "Many" marked JU47, if refurbished it would be more like "All" were marked Ju47. If a JU47 gun was ever found with capture papers that would tell us the truth. Also why are there no other right side markings or re-stamps on the right tang of many of these? The JU47 stamp often appears on virgin un-refinished blue/metal with no other previous stamps around it or under it.

 

[kanister]

You must consider that the letter J did not belong to Italian alphabet and was introduced only after the war: so if you insist to think that it was a J instead of a U you confirm that the 47 is the year 1947. you contradict yourself.

 

[CJS57]

If you actually read my posts you would see I offer proof that the J is actually a U with a broken die.

 

[relics]

I still dont understand why we dont see any of the lot of 28000.You would think we would see some.For sale and examples posted.

 

[CJS57]

Another thing is if no one has seen any of the 28,000 how do we know they are JU47 marked?

 

[Yoebuff]

were all verified and reworked and the mark UA47 (not JA47) means that this gun was reworked on 1947.(J is only a U broken die)
Another common mark was F.A.G. 47 or 48 or ... for the guns for the Army.

Well, thats good information to have. It also makes sense then as to the gun being renumbered to match.

 

[relics]

Thats what i thought to.At least it points in that direction

 

[CJS57]

It is "good information" but it is also pure speculation with no proof or data to support it. It seems that the 47 in UA47 leads some to jump to the conclusion that is a year of rework. The gun that is renumbered is no proof of anything. Who did it? When? Why? It is not connected to the UA47 proof in anyway.