[Guest]

I am a new luger owner and am trying to determine it's origin. Here is what I found so far.
Toggle Inscription: Mauser
Chamber Inscription: 1940
Grip Safety: None
Stock Lug: Present
Toggle Knot Type: Round and checkered
Grips: Wood without border
Thumb safety: Safe in rear position with "Gesichert" markings
Barrel markingunderneath) 8.82, (leftside) Stick Eagle over unk.letter/numbers.
Reciever marking: (rightside)Eagle over L
Extractor:"Geladen"
Suffex mark: X
All numbers match with the last two serial number digits. The serial number is in the 4800 range. It came with a medium tan/lt brown holster marked "Schambach & Co, Berlin, 1940, Eagle over Swastika".One of the mags with the gun is stamped with a "Crown over M" and numbers 943. The other has a 1 the 78.
I know picture's would help, will try to get them posted later.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Interesting so far Greg, I believe you already know this, but:

Made by Mauser in 1940

The Eagle over the L is a Police Accceptance marking, so it was sent to the German Police at some point. Does it have a "Sear Safety?

Here is a picture of one from the top and then the side:
(This is on most police, but not all).

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The 8,82 is the measurement from land to land on the grooves.


If it was for the Dutch market, it would have Rust instead of Gesichert, and would be accepted with dutch proofs. There were some 1940's that were diverted to the German army, but they still display the "Rust" marking.

Pictrues would be great? Can you borrow a digital or lay it on a flatbed scanner?


Ed

 

[Guest]

Ed, Thanks for the info. It does have a sear safety. The gun was a WWII relic taken in France from a German Officer. I'm in the process of taking pictures to show the markings.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Okay Greg, I hafta ask... Why did you think it was "Dutch"? ~~grinning~~

If you have further story on it, I collect stories, slowly making a booklet on stories and pictures, if you'd like to be included on it, send me an e-mail. It is interesting, if taken from an officer, then they "probably" were some kind of police?

Ed

 

[Guest]

Ed, the reason I thought it was Dutch, was from the information I read on the luger forum's that's what I thought it was. Do you know anything about the holster and the mag with the "M under a Crown?" Does a certain maker/design of holster result in a more valuable piece? I wish I could get the story to you. I would of loved the first hand story. As it is, the gentleman I bought the gun from was a friend of the family to the original owner and he has since passed on like a many of our honored hero's who served in WWII. Keep up the good work on collecting there stories as they all will soon be gone and lost.

 

[Edward Tinker]

Hopefully someone will jump in, Tan/Brown holsters are more rare, and especially a 1940? Some holsters are much more valuable than others, like I said, a tan one usually goes for more, much of it depends on condition of the holster. Rips, tears, bad scuffs, all bring the value down.

On the magazine, a crown "N" is a commercial proof, unsure about a crown M?

You should buy the book Third Reich Lugers while it is still available, it is great to read, has tons of pictues and info, (I think Jan has them still).


Ed

 

[Dwight Gruber]

Crown/M is a Marine (Navy) marking. Please include it in your photographs. Do the round sides of the magazine bottom have concentric circles?

--Dwight

 

[Guest]

Mr. Gruber
Yes they do. The other does not. They both are wood and held with a black pin.

 

[Heinz]

Greg, is there a serial number on you navy magazine, if so what is it?

 

[holster_collector]

quote:Originally posted by greg

I am a new luger owner and am trying to determine it's origin. Here is what I found so far.
Toggle Inscription: Mauser
Chamber Inscription: 1940
Grip Safety: None
Stock Lug: Present
Toggle Knot Type: Round and checkered
Grips: Wood without border
Thumb safety: Safe in rear position with "Gesichert" markings
Barrel markingunderneath) 8.82, (leftside) Stick Eagle over unk.letter/numbers.
Reciever marking: (rightside)Eagle over L
Extractor:"Geladen"
Suffex mark: X
All numbers match with the last two serial number digits. The serial number is in the 4800 range. It came with a medium tan/lt brown holster marked "Schambach & Co, Berlin, 1940, Eagle over Swastika".One of the mags with the gun is stamped with a "Crown over M" and numbers 943. The other has a 1 the 78.
I know picture's would help, will try to get them posted later.

Your description provides very useful information. It is a police contract luger (very uncommon--although 1940 is about the most common date among police contract lugers). The Eagle/L stamp is a police contract acceptance stamp. The "x" suffix is what you expect for a Mauser "banner" police luger which appears in the range of approximately 2500x to 5500x. About 3300 1940 dated Eagle/L police lugers were manufactured. The holster maker is a common police holster maker and the color is typical of many police luger holsters. I suspect the front closure strap goes upward and attaches on the flap making it a police holster. Such holsters are uncommon relative to military holsters. It is interesting that the magazines are wood-bottomed. Those were phased out between 1925 and 1929 to be replaced with aluminum bottomed mags. The luger was probably shipped from the factory with two aluminum-bottomed police marked magazines. One of your mags is police marked ("1") and the other sounds like a Crown/M imperial navy magazine from the period before 1919.

Congratulations on what sounds like a great police luger rig.

Dave

 

[Guest]

MR. Heinz,
The numbers on the magazine are 943. Thank you all for the info. I'll post pictures sometime soon. I'm assuming $600.00 was a good price for the gun. I know without pictures it's hard to value a gun, but this one is very nice.