[lugerlou]

After the holidays I will post a detailed photo pictorial of some more of my Mausers, one that may be of interest to the kÜ collectors is serial number 1475 kÜ

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[Edward Tinker]

That will be great James!

Ed

 

[Jan C Still]

James
I am looking forward to the photographs of your Mauser collection.
Jan

 

[lugerlou]

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Pictures as promised of Kü marked luger serial number 1475 Kü the luger is still in the disassembled process as I am still checking this fellow out for machining differences but have mostly concluded that the frame and associated parts are Mauser with the barrel marked with the S/42 spare parts proof and the W|154 Mauser G date inscription.

The luftwaffe acceptance is in three places left barrel side, right receiver and the left side of breechblock.

No suffix letter is present on the frame leading me to believe that the Kü marked luger has followed a definite serialization sequence of numbering.

The PO8 on left side of frame is in line with the BYF toggle inscription and the 41 chamber code as is the late Mauser hump on the frame. Frame lug has the hole at the top of lug.

Toggle stirrup is in the white and all small parts that should be blued (salt blue) are.Main axle pin is not stamped with last two digits of serial number

Inside of the grips they are stamped with the full serial number and the stick winged eagle over 655 similar to the early German military 41 coded mauser lugers.

So to conclude this Kü marked luger has Mauser written all over it and stands to reason that Mauser produced all of the associated parts in 1941 or thereabouts with the barrel coming from spare parts inventory from an early G date luger.

Hope everyone enjoys the photo's as the W|154 stamp was a tough one to capture due the reflection from the barrel roundness.

All reply's are welcomed and do not hold back as this is the omly way that we may find out the true history of these kü marked lugers

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Frame with the Mauser hump

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This picture is not intended to instill a Krieghoff seven it is simply for the examination process

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Picture of all the small parts showing the two digit stamp and the blueing

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W|154 source Costanzo

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[refurb]

Nice Ku looks good to me. Does the magazine serial number match the pistol?

 

[taudelt]

Lugerlou..... I would say I've got a kissin cousin to yours. #1622 Ku also has the W154 barrel with S/42, 41 chamber date with BYF toggle and P.08 on the L/H side. Has the hump and the hole drilled in the lug and an unnumbered pin. Has the "Luft" acceptance in all the same places. Both grips are stamped with the full serial number with numbers the same size as yours. About the only difference is that the R/H grip is stamped 42 and the left hand side has the E/655 acceptance. Could be close enuf for government work.

I am really interested in the whole Ku deal and I agree with you that they were Mauser parts. I have owned a couple of other. (THAT I WISH I HAD NEVER SOLD) and I recall they were also all Mauser.

At this point in time I think what I believe took place is that somebody (with that distinctive "Luft" stamp) was putting guns together from parts. I have owned several examples with the stamps on some parts but without any Ku serial number or stamp. Some were mismatched and one had the receiver from an early Navy. I guess I think that the Ku "run" was a special deal strickly from Mauser parts and meant for whoever or whatever Ku really stand for.

 

[lugerlou]

Refurb & Taudelt

Did not expect to attract renewed interest as all I was doing was applying appropriate heading as per Jan C Stills request awhile back to make identification easier for the viewers, this luger was previously headed mauser luger

As to the questions the luger did not have a magazine serialed to the luger when I received it and will remain that way as I refuse to mix and match.This I strongly believe is historically important as none of us collectors know all the variations.except perhaps a rare few.

The Kü luger is definetly the cousin to yours dave and I believe this one is as it left the factory ,magazine aside.

If taudelts luger has the 655 proofs also on the grip insides it would be nice to know if others are same as this would put a timeframe to the Kü as bieng late Mauser.

 

[refurb]

Your thoughts on the magazine are interesting. The magazine on my Ku does not match the serial number either. But is a Mauser proof mark(63) with a suffix.

 

[taudelt]

Lou... One of the Ku guns I sold was 2790 Ku and it was also a 41 BYF. Some notes I found indicate it had the full serial number on the grips and the L/H side was also stamped E/135. I THINK the barrel was also E/135.

 

[lugerlou]

Thankyou for the info men, have copied the pertinent stuff down and will keep track in case another crosses my path.

For sure the luftwaffe acceptance stamp is more than a chance coincidence.

 

[Guest]

Just thoughts; why would anyone put a Luftwaffe mark on Ku Lugers? Considering that about 43000 pistols were shipped from Mauser to the Luftwaffe during the Mauser Luger production years. Not a one had a Luftwaffe identifing mark (excluding Krieghoffs). Actually, I think it's a great discussion even if the subject has been beat up many times. One opinion might be that some sub-contractor with the initials - KU - assembled all the left over discarded parts and assembled them for, who knows? Not an original idea, came from David Ginsberg years ago. David as you might remember tracked down the remaining Simson family and wrote an article on there escape from Germany, etc. Guess where he found these people. Your correct, in the old USA. David if you are reading this, you might consider letting everyone read that fantastic piece of history.

 

[lugerlou]

silvereagle

Agree with you as to why these lugers are stamped Kü and not all the other Mausers. The Kü stamp itself and the luftwaffe acceptance has to be synonymous.

Lets beat the hell out of it and see what comes up. The Krieghoff trail is the wrong one to follow in my opinion.

 

[Dwight Gruber]

David Ginsberg provided an excellent single-page synposis of Simson in Weimar Lugers. I enquired after his whereabouts, and was told that he has dropped from sight. Too bad.

--Dwight

 

[Guest]

Lugerlou and Dwight.
David is an old friend and I can find him very easily. I'll check for an email address and we can go from there. I agree with lugerlou forget the Krieghoff trail, forget "Coastal flying service" and I also believe we should forget the Luftwaffe. Lets find out where the trail leads from here. I suspect some of our friends in Belgium, Germany and France have an opinion. lets here from you guys. Give us an opinion on the "KU" suffix and prefix. I'll bet a Munchin beer that some of you people in Germany have a friend who has some knowledge of this discussion.
Thanks
Don

 

[Guest]

RE: previous
Hmmm!!! didn't know that I didn't know how to spell hear vs here at the correct time. Must be old age corrupting this old man. Jan. didn't you have a "spell checker" in the past. I hate mistakes because I know the Judge will be on my case.

 

[lugerlou]

silvereagle29

Good post, to clarify my earlier reply of the Luftwaffe stamp and the Kü stamp bieng synonymous was intended to imply that I believe the stamps were put on by the same bunch of inspectors.

Your avenue to include the members and non members living in Germany and Belgium is very good and I do wish that they respond or know someone that has some information to disclose no matter the relevance.

Keep beating the bushes and shake the trees, sometimes you get lucky.

 

[refurb]

Just a heads up. Today I talked to a long time Luger collector. Who told me when he used to live in Germany. He came across a magazine called German Weapon Journal. Which had a article about KU Lugers. Since his German wasnt to good he could not understand a lot of it. He did say that the magazine is still being published. So I'm hopeing someone can research this.