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Hi, Very informative board you have here! I've learned alot just browsing the posts and info here, and I must say very well done! I'm looking for some information on a Luger I may buy. I guess it would be yout standard info: approximiate year of manufacture, what a fair price would be, etc. DWM on top of toggle. The serial # is 5978, which is on the front of the frame and bottom of the barrel. # 78 on underside of takedown lever, bottom of sideplate and rear of toggle Crown over N on left side of chamber, just above the barrel slide. Crown over n above the serial # on bottom of barrel. "Made in Germany" on right side of chamber just above the barrel slide. I found the number 38 with an upsidedown eagle ( I believe you guys call it a droop eagle) on the ejector? (the forward most portion of the toggle that butts up against the chamber. There are also 2 marks that I don't know what they are: one on the frame just below the serial # that looks like a scrolly R kinda thing and one under the serial # on the barrel that could be the same mark. On the inside of the right grip is horizontal 71 with a vertical s under it and on the left grip is a horizontal 71. Clip appears to be stamped stainless with a wood bottom, but no numbers. I would hazard a guess on the bluing at maybe 70%, but you experts may be able to give me a better estimation when you see the pics. The straw is visible on the magazine release and the trigger, although the left side of the trigger doesn't seem to have as much as the right. Visible straw color on the takedown lever, but the safety appears more blue that anything. Has the sear safety. It is also the 30 cal/ 7.65 version. Bore is nice and bright with sharp rifling, interior of grip where clip goes looks to be unblued. there is what looks to be a brass plug on the backside of the grip? Story has it it came from a vet, I'm trying to find out how to get ahold of him and see how he got it. I'm not neccesarily looking for a collector type gun, since I would be shooting it from time to time, but not on a regular basis. Just would like to know an approximiate manufacture date and a fair price for this gun. I'll try to post some pics, they may not be the best so I will try a different camera tomorrow if needed to get some better pics. Let me know if you need more pics.
Thank You in advance for the help!
Dave
P.S. I tried loading pics but it was taking forever so I'll size em down more and post them tomorrow. Bein on dial up isn't helping either I'm sure.
 

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Dave, this sounds like a "commerical" variation, made in the 1920's. The 30 luger (aka 7.65mm) costs a lot more to shoot, and is thus less popular, and thus less in value. Unlikely to have been brought back from WW2, as the germany stamp was put on as a export stamp/import stamp from germany to the US.

Commerical guns are fairly common and don't go for a lot, if at 70%, then value might be $300-$450?

But post pictures here, full sides, shrunk down, just to give a good once over form the folks here for an approx.

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Mornin Guys! Tried to post my pics again, but it didn't want to work. This is what I've been doing to post the pics: I click on insert an image file at the bottom of this form click on browse, click on the pic, then click on upload to post. runs for about 5 minutes then says page not available. trid 3 times without success. Can anyone help me out here? I'm usually pretty computer competent, but I must be doing something wrong here.
Thanks!
Dave
 

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Dave,
Ed straightened me out on the pictures...is it possible that you have some characters like: " : * ^, in the title of your file? If you do for some reason it doesn't load pictures!! It also appears that you have a few mismatched parts i.e., ejector, grips. Ed is right on with the ID and price. I have sold 98% .30cal Commercials for $500. Possibly a tad low, but I couldn't get rid of them...AMMO!! However there is some Lapua ammo made in the 80's on the market.

Dave
 
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Ok, it's still not working. I'm unsure how to size my pics and save them to my computer without non-alphanumeric characters. When I save them I'm going to have This: drive letter:\main file or folder\subfile or folder\Luger1.jpg Or in puter talk; C:\ My documents\my pictures\Luger\Luger1.jpg. Is this my problem? I also get a message from Internet Explorer saying "page not available" contact gunboards .com or try again later (or some such thing. Any ideas? I want to do this myself but obviously some thing is wrong. Thanks for the help!
Dave

P.S. I could snailmail em and they may get there faster ;)
 
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OK, I'm gonna try this one more time. If it works you guys can have a better look. If you could let me know what you think of the bluing % and the straw color. I may have been a bit on the negative side on my estimation of the blue. If you need some beter pics of an area of the gun let me know. I'm gonna go outside and get some in some good light so I'll have more shortly.
Thanks!
Dave



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Hi, Ran a few rounds thru this today (10) and there seems to be a small problem with the reloading of a new round. It ejects the spent round, but doesn't close all the way when reloading. I was using Winchester 93 Gr full metal jacket ammo. Could the problem be with the ammo or is there another possible source of the problem I should look for?
Thanks in advance!
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Dave,
I know pictures lie. but except for the front grip strap, the blue looks pretty good! Is there a stock lug on the gun? I couldn't see in the pictures? With respect to the feeding problem, try another magazine first. Luger feeding is sometimes a problem. Are there marks on top of the mag. lips indicating the bolt is dragging? Obviously the bolt is coming back far enough to pick up a new cartridge, but is not pushing hard enough to completely close the bolt. Weak recoil spring? Usually the .30's feed better than the 9mm's because of the bottleneck cartridge! I'm sure one of the real experts might have a better idea.

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Dave F.
* S/N = 5978 "k" suffix. An "Alpha DWM"('20 commercial model) in the "k" block would have been assembled approximately 1922 per Jan Still's Weimar Luger.
* I see no evidence of a "sear safety" having been placed on this pistol.
* The aftermarket magazine may be giving you trouble with ammo feed; but, have you throughly cleaned & strategically oiled the upper assembly & frame rails?
* What is this "brass plug" you mentioned on the back side of the grip? It's possible the stock lug was removed and a brass filler repair done sometime in this pistol's history?? A picture would be helpful here.
* The ejector's #38 & the difference in the bluing of the breechblock from the toggle link behind it may indicate a replacement breech. What is the symbol on the left side of the breechblock near the toggle connecting pin? Does the breechblock show a 2 digit number in the same area as this lefthand side symbol?.
* Please respond when you get a chance.
 
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Thanks for your replies! Dave, I marked the lips of the clip with a sharpie and cycled the toggle several times by hand (unloaded of course!) and it doesn't seem to be dragging on the clip since it removed none of the sharpie. After closer examination it looks like the front of the clip that is shaped like the nose of the bullet may be slightly deformed on the right side, like it may have been dropped. It's not alot, but I can tell it's not the same as the other side. No stock lug on the gun, but there is a brass plug on the back of the grip. It doesn't go all the way thru to the inside of the magazine chamber. I don't know hoew the stock lug was attached to thes guns, but maybe it was removed and filled per Roberts post below. I will try to post a pic of the clip and the rear of the grip. Robert, I guess I'm not exactly sure what a sear safety is. I thought it was tyhe approx 1/2 inch wide strip of metal that pops up on the left side fo the slide when you engage the safety, maybe you or another pro couls show mw what a sear safety is so I know for sure for future encounters with these guns. The symbol on the left side of the breechblock is a crown over N but it is laying on it's side as you look at the side of the gun. No number on the opposite side of the breechblock. I field stripped, cleaned and oiled the gun on sunday, so I don't think that's the problem. I am going to straighten the clip nose and see if that does the trick and I'll let you guys know. I am going to try again to post pics, but I h aven't had any success with it yet. I'm really not trying to make it more difficult than it is. I'm no computer pro, but I know my way around the computer pretty good and haven't had trouble posting to other boards I've visited. If the pics don't show up maybe someone can check the title of the pics and make sure that they are correct. I get the little window that says "you image has been recieved" and close that window and the little box shows up where the pic goes but the pic isn't there. I've just about pulled out the little bit of hair I have left trying to figure this out. I won't even tell you how many times I've tried to post thes pics. They don't show up if I hit the preview button to see if they are there either.Anyway, here it goes



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