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LUGER RECEIVER ACCEPTANCE STAMPS

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Table prepared with the help of Taudelt, Dwight Gruber, Ron Wood, Jack Lawman, Sauerfan, Heinrich Harder, and Fritz. Any additional data/receiver photographs would be most appreciated. Related links:
1911 DWM w/ Bavarian Unit Mark taudelt http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8648
1914 DWM P08 and LP08 acceptance stamps Gothic let Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8312
Jan

LUGER, RECEIVER INSPECTION STAMPS Note: as used in this text, inspection and acceptance stamps are the same thing.

Individual Imperial German military pistols were inspected during or just after the manufacturing process to determine if they complied with specifications for military use. A stylized king’s crown surmounting the initial letter of the inspectors family name was made into a small stamp and applied to the pistol after the inspection was completed to indicate the pistol had passed inspection. This process was best exhibited on the receivers of German military Lugers.

German 1902 Test Lugers bear a crown/Gothic D inspection stamp on their left receiver and above the lanyard. The 1906 DWM Test Lugers, and the 1908 DWM P.08s bear two crown / Gothic letter inspection stamps and a test proof on the left receiver. By mid 1911 Erfurt used three inspection stamps and a test proof on the right receiver and by about mid 1912 DWM did the same.

Note: sometimes a small crown is stamped over the larger original crown in the inspection stamps on DWM Lugers. Noted on 1908, 1910 and 1911 dates on the letters T, V, and Z. Significance unknown. (Ron Wood)

The inspection stamps were applied in the following sequence:
1. Receiver hardened, the date was stamped into the receiver top at the same time.
2. Pistol ready for testing, the complete serial number was applied at the same time.
3. The test proof eagle was applied forward of the inspection stamps. This indicated that the pistol had fired two overloaded test cartridges without damage.
4. Pistol accepted after test firing; this indicated that the pistol had passed its post firing inspection. The barrel land diameter was added to the bottom of the barrel. This inspection stamp was applied to the left of the test proof eagle.
The inspection stamps were located on the right receiver as follows (left to right).
1. Above, furthest to the left.
2. Above, adjacent to 1.
4. Above, adjacent to 2.
3. Above, test proof located furthest to the right



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Table 2.

Appendix D contains a listing of Lugers , including year/model, serial number, and inspection stamps (translated into English letters using Table 2). As the applied inspection stamps are not exactly like those shown in Table 2, are sometimes poorly stamped or applied with broken dies: identification is not always correct. However, with this limit in mind; some of the more interesting data in Appendix D indicates the following:
1. There is a distinct pattern to the application of the various letter stamps that changes as production progresses from 1908 to 1918. Example: the sequence of stamps used on a 1916 DWM (H S S) is not the same as that used on a 1918 DWM (T S S).
2. DWM Lugers are most often inspected by a different series of inspectors than Erfurt Lugers.
3. 1914 DWM LP.08s are all (or almost all) accepted by an S S S stamp. None of the reported 1914 DWM P.08s are accepted with the S S S sequence of stamps. A 1914 DWM LP08 not bearing the S S S sequence of stamps is suspect.



APPENDIX D: RECEIVER INSPECTION/ACCEPTANCE STAMPS, LUGERS Conversion from old German to English alphabet based on Table 2. Note: preliminary incomplete study. (August 8, 2006 INSPECTIONSTAMPS) ? means identification uncertain. Some letters such as F and O can be very difficult to tell apart and such identifications are uncertain. Underlined marks recorded inconsistently.

Year/Model Serial/no. Acceptance stamps
1902 1906 TEST
1902 DWM Test, interspersed in 22235-22385 serial range, D on left receiver and above lanyard
1906 DWM Test, 166 E E
1906 DWM Test, 209 E E

DWM P.08
1908 DWM 4xx E H??
1908 DWM 1173 E E??
1908 DWM 1597 T T
1908 DWM 1833 E H??
1908 DWM 3367, E E
1908 DWM 5781 E Z
1908 DWM 6099 T Z
1908 DWM 6233 T Z
1908 DWM 6747 T Z
1908 DWM 7233 T Z (or S)
1908 DWM 7872 T Z
1908 DWM 8482 T Z1908 DWM 1541a T Z
1908 DWM 451a T Z
1908 DWM 847a TZ
1908 DWM 2108a T Z
1908 DWM 7089a T T
1908 DWM 9543a T Z
1908 DWM 43b T Z
1908 DWM 2140b T Z
1908 DWM 2607b T Z
1908 DWM 4228b T Z

1910 DWM 9406b T Z
1910 DWM 9506b T Z
1910 DWM 224c T Z
1910 DWM 2786c E Z
1910 DWM 3189c E Z
1910 DWM 3452c E Z
1910 DWM 8474c T T
1910 DWM 8494c T T
1910 DWM 8783c T T
1910 DWM 884c T Z
1910 DWM 9411c T T
1910 DWM 9955c T T
1910 DWM 414d T Z
1910 DWM 471d T Z
1910 DWM 562d T Z
1910 DWM 1307d T Z
1910 DWM 1689d T Z
1910 DWM 3070d T Z
1910 DWM 3601d T Z
1910 DWM 3696d T Z
1910 DWM 3882d T Z
1910 DWM 2554d T Z
1910 DWM 4776d T Z
1910 DWM 4796d T Z
1910 DWM 5683d T Z
1910 DWM 5853d T Z
1910 DWM 5865d T Z
1910 DWM 1233e E V

1911 DWM 8194d T Z
1911 DWM 8569d T Z
1911 DWM 260e E V
1911 DWM 529e E V
1911 DWM 1623e E V
1911 DWM 2083e E V
1911 DWM 2395e E V
1911 DWM 4089e R D
1911 DWM 5402e E V
1911 DWM 8617e E H
1911 DWM 8821e E E
1911 DWM 9656e E E
1911 DWM 9772e E E

1912 DWM 1753 E A (or H?)
1912 DWM 3295 E H
1912 DWM 4329 G H
1912 DWM 7065 A A F
1912 DWM 7775 A A F
1912 DWM 7885 A A F

1913 DWM 1658 A A F
1913 DWM 1852 A A F
1913 DWM 2084 A A F
1913 DWM 2155 A A F
1913 DWM 2544 A A F
1913 DWM 3301 S E S
1913 DWM 5776 A A F
1913 DWM 484a A A F
1913 DWM 817a A A F
1913 DWM 2475a A A O (or F)
1913 DWM 1386b X Q F
1913 DWM 2045b X Q F
1913 DWM 2436b X Q F
1913 DWM 5354b X Q F
1913 DWM 5486b X Q F
1913 DWM 5887b X Q F
1913 DWM 6055b X Q G

1914 DWM 84 X Q M?
1914 DWM 468 X Q B
1914 DWM 1426 X Q B
1914 DWM 1839 X Q F
1914 DWM 7758 X Q F
1914 DWM 9360 S G S
1914 DWM 9950 X Q F
1914 DWM 1961a X Q T
1914 DWM 8573a X X X (no stock lug)
1914 DWM 8837a X X X (no stock lug)
1914 DWM 60x5b S G S
1914 DWM 796b F F X
1914 DWM 265c S C(F?) S
1914 DWM 352c S E S

1915 DWM 3948 S E S
1915 DWM 2833a S E S, lazy C/N and deaths head
1915 DWM 5031a S E S
1915 DWM 6439b S S S
1915 DWM 8413b S S S
1915 DWM 9427b S S S
1915 DWM 64xxb S S S
1915 DWM 1281c H S S
1915 DWM 1305c S S S
1915 DWM 3025c H S S
1915 DWM 3220c H S S
1915 DWM 5622c H S S
1915 DWM 8601c H S S
1915 DWM 3854d H S S
1915 DWM 6382e S S S
1915 DWM 3889f H S S
1915 DWM 4646f H S S
1915 DWM 7688g H S S
1920/1915 DWM 4593h H S S
1915 DWM 6890L S S S
1915 DWM 8033L H S S

1916 DWM 589 H S S
1916 DWM 1501 H S S
1916 DWM 9325 H S S
1916 DWM 9911 H S S
1916 DWM 24a H S S
1916 DWM 583a H S S
1916 DWM 7111a H S S
1916 DWM 9475a H S S
1916 DWM 4003c H S S
1916 DWM 9943c H S S
1916 DWM 8253d H S S
1916 DWM 98xxd H S S
1916 DWM 2294e H S S
1916 DWM 4917e H S S
1916 DWM 8372e H S S
1916 DWM 9071h H S S
1916 DWM 2225i H S S
1916 DWM 4072i H S S
1916 DWM 3557L H S S
1916 DWM 60xxL H S S
1916 DWM 6472L H S S
1916 DWM 3649o H S S
1916 DWM 1890m H S S
1916 DWM 2275n H S S

1917 DWM 9385 H S S
1917 DWM 1438a T S S
1917 DWM 2755b T S S
1917 DWM 4798a T S S
1917 DWM 1874b T S S
1917 DWM 6008b T S S
1917 DWM 6302b T S S
1917 DWM 86xxb T S S
1917 DWM 4651c T S S
1917 DWM 6720d T S S, sear safety
1917 DWM 8203d T S S
1917 DWM 615f T S S
1917 DWM 693f T S S
1917 DWM 5959f T S S, sear safety
1917 DWM 182g T S S
1917 DWM 702g T S S
1917 DWM 1894g T S S
1917 DWM 2339g T S S
1917 DWM 5602h T S S
1917 DWM 6138i F S S
1917 DWM 2419r T S S

1918 DWM 2235 T S S
1918 DWM 5198 T S S
1918 DWM 7xxa T S S
1918/1920 DWM 3171a T S S
1918 DWM 1468b T S S
1918 DWM 1516d T S S
1918 DWM 557d T S S
1918 DWM 8080e T S S
1918 DWM 41xxf T S S
1918 DWM 9282f T S S
1918 DWM 2802g T S S
1918 DWM 4984g T S S
1918 DWM 2049h T S S
1918 DWM 4418h T S S
1918/1920 DWM 7738i T S S

LP.08 DWM
1914 LP.08 48 S S S (Fine tuned sights absent)
1914 LP.08 689 S S S
1914 LP.08 826 S S S
1914 LP.08 840 S S S
1914 LP.08 1189 S S S
1914 LP.08 1200 S S S
1914 LP.08 1203 S S S
1914 LP.08 1612 S S S

1915 LP.08 4137 S S S
1915 LP.08 4559 S S S
1915 LP.08 6015 S S S
1915 LP08 8065 S S S
1915 LP.08 9679 S S S
1915 LP.08 3731a H S S
1915 LP.08 3398a H S S

1916 LP.08 4572 H S S
1916 LP.08 111a H S S
1916 LP.08 1376a H S S
1916 LP.08 1445a H S S
1916 LP.08 3444a H S S
1916 LP.08 4172a H S S
1916 LP.08 4822a H S S
1916 LP.08 1123b H S S

1917 LP.08 6705 T S S
1917 LP.08 9937 T S S
1917 LP.08 318a T S S
1917 LP.08 1096a T S S
1917 LP.08 8940a T S S
1917 LP.08 234b T S S
1917 LP.08 5045b T S S
1917 LP.08 2324c T S S
1917 LP.08 3543c T S S
1917 LP.08 8687d T S S
1917 LP.08 2278e T S S
1917 LP.08 1446f T S S
1917 LP.08 7185f T S S
1917 LP.08 7670f T S S
1917 LP.08 7791f T S S
1917 LP.08 13xxg T S S
1917 LP.08. 1894g T S S
1917 LP.08 3980g T S S
1917 LP.08 6974g T S S
1917 LP.08. 9868g T S S
1917 LP.08 37xxL T S S
1917 LP.08 6360L T S S
1917 LP.08 3033i T S S
1917 LP.08 4251i T S S
1917 LP.08 9216 i T S S
1917 LP.08. 6237m T S S

1918 LP.08 3815 T S S
1918 LP.08 246a T L L could be TSS?
1918 LP.08 9689 b T S S
1918 LP.08 3033i T S S

LP08 ERFURT
1914 ERF. LP.08 2353a W ? B
1914 ERF. LP.08 3097a W H H
1914 ERF. LP.08 5865a W F R
1914 ERF. LP.08 7590a U P ?
1914 ERF LP.08 1369b U P B
1914 ERF. LP.08 4469b W F R

ERFURT P.081910 ERF. 29 C S

1911 ERF. 132 C R
1920/1911 ERF. 3970 RC, C R
1911 ERF. 4517 C R
1911 ERF. 5184 C R
1911 ERF. 6616 C G R
1911 ERF. 7638 C G R
1911 ERF. 8699 C S U

1912 ERF 220 C S S
1912 ERF. 454 C C S
1912 ERF. 2031 C E R
1912 ERF. 3111 D C V
1912 ERF 3485 C H R
1912 ERF. 4020 RC, C H R
1912 ERF. 4916 C C V
1912 ERF 1515a D C N
1912 ERF. 4510a D C W
1912 ERF. 5257a D C V
1912 ERF. 581b D C S
1912 ERF. 801b D P S

1913 ERF. 1903 D C Y
1913 ERF. 2822 ? V D
1913 ERF. 8835 D E F
1913 ERF 8973 D E G?
1913 ERF. 2153a RC, D S T
1913 ERF. 3980a D V T
1913/1920 ERF. 4304a D V E
1913 ERF. 6305a H G E
1913 ERF. 2563b U Z D

1914 ERF. 668 A G D
1914 ERF. 1176 U V D
1914/1920 ERF. 113a UPB
1914 ERF. 780a U H H

1916 ERF. 940 ? ? P
1916 ERF. 4827 RC, O O P
1916 ERF. 98xx RC, O O P
1916 ERF. 4161b RC, O G ?
1916 ERF. 35xxc RC, O O P
1916 ERF. 743d O O P
1916 ERF. 3505h O B P
1916 ERF. 7266o RC, O O P
1916/1920 ERF. 64y RC, OVD

1917 ERF. 5808a RC O O P
1917 ERF. 9358d RC, F O? P
1917 ERF. 9822e O O P
1917 ERF. 7661f F O B??
1917 ERF. 6975g D O P
1917 ERF. 1857h RC,? O (c)P
1917 ERF. 4208h O M P
1917 ERF. 2526j ? ? P
1917 ERF. 2218j RC, O O P
1917 ERF. 7363j O R P
1917 ERF. 1857n RC, ? O P
1917 ERF. 7026n O O P
1917 ERF. 1425r RC, O O P ?
1917 ERF. 2645r O R P

1918 ERF. 2348 RC,? X P
1918 ERF. 3126 RC O (crown, crown, crown)(no proof)
1918 ERF. 8381 C S S
1918 ERF. 2579g RC, BOP
1918 ERF. 1779m ? O H
1918 ERF. 1444n B R B
1918 ERF. 9833n RC, B? X P
1918 ERF. 1975o RC, ? crown crown/M P
1918 ERF. 4792o RC, B R P
1918 ERF. 5224o RC, ? ? P
1918/1920 ERF. 52xxo B ? P
1918 ERF. 8852o RC, B? R? B
1918 ERF. 6251r RC, B? O P
1920/1918 ERF. 8196r RC, H O P
1917/18 ERF. 8895s RC, O O P
 
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#15 ·
Hi Jan,

some more data from my collection:

Erfurt LP08 1914 # 1369 b U P B

Erfurt 1916 # 7266 o RC O O P

Erfurt 1918 # 4792 o RC B R P

DWM 1910 # 4776 d T Z

DWM 1916 # 9475 a H S S

DWM 1918 # 2049 h T S S

DWM LP08 1917 # 9216 i T S S

DWM LP08 1918 # 9689 b T S S

Regards

Fritz
 
#16 ·
DWM 1908 # 847a Eagle - Crown over a "C" - Crown over a "Z"

I'm calling it a "C" vs. an "E" because there is no horizonal line coming off the right middle side as depicted in Jan's chart for the "E" & a "C" just seems to be a closer match.

This pistol also has the "W" on the lower trigger guard adjacent to the magazine release button.
 
#21 ·
I think that a lot of the marks which are underlined are not showing up this way in these posts. In order to underline a letter, T for example, type:
= T</u>

The bracketed characters are the code which causes the underline to occur on whatever is typed betwen them. In this case, for a different letter, simply type that letter there.

--Dwight
 
#22 ·
I have discovered that, due to lighting conditions, the way that marks have been stamped, and the fact that sometimes they are whitened, sometimes it is easier to identify them if the reference alphabets are white-on-black. Here are Jan's, Pete's, and Martin's (condensed onto one image) Fraktur alphabet samples in both positive and negative versions.

--Dwight


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#23 ·
Dwight
Please thank Mike Bordelon for the information. It is posted above.

The underlined items in my word perfect program did not copy in the Forum post. Also, I was inconsistent in my recording of the underlined stamps.

Thanks for posting the old German to English translations.
Jan
 
#25 ·
Jan,

I went through my photo archive and mined the internet, got a bunch of new data. I've included pictures where I haven't been able to figure out the letters, maybe someone else can.

1908 DWM 9543a T L

1911 DWM 529e E D

1913 DWM 484a A A F

1915 DWM 2833a S E S
1915 DWM 3889f H S S
1915 DWM 7688g H S S
1915 DWM 8033i H S S
1915 DWM * H S S
* cannot ascertain serial number

1916 DWM 4003c H S S
1916 DWM 6472l H S S

1917 DWM 8203d T</u> S S
1917 DWM 693f T</u> S S

1918 DWM 8080e T</u> S S




1911 Erfurt 7638 C G? R

1912 Erfurt 454 T</u> T S



1914 Erfurt 668 ? G R



1916 Erfurt 4561b rc O ? ?



1917 Erfurt 2645r rc O ? P


1918 Erfurt 1975o rc ? Cc? P



1918 Erfurt 5224o rc ? ? P


1915 DWM LP-08 8065 S S S
1917 DWM LP-08 * T</u> S S
* cannot ascertain serial number


It looks like you went through the same exercise as I did to mine information from Simpson's site. However, I managed to extract complete serial number data for most of the guns. What follows is complete serial numbers for some of your entries, along with the occasional underline addition and a couple of photos with questions which occur to me.

1914 DWM 60xxb 60x5b

1915 DWM 64xxb 6434b
1915 DWM 30xxc 3025c
1915 DWM 86xxc 8601c

1916 DWM LP-08 1xxa 111a
1916 DWM 71xxa 7111a
1916 DWM 83xxe 8372e
1916 DWM 18xxm 1890m
1916 DWM 22xxn 2275n

1917 DWM LP-08 50xxb 5045b T</u> S S
1917 DWM LP-08 23xxc 2324c T</u> S S
1917 DWM LP-08 35xxc 3543c T</u> S S
1917 DWM 67xxd 6720d T</u> S S
1917 DWM 59xxf 5959f T</u> S S
1917 DWM LP-08 13xxg T</u> S S
1917 DWM 23xxg 2339g T</u> S S
1917 DWM 24xxr 2418r T</u> S S

1918 DWM 22xx 2235 T</u> S S
1918 DWM 51xx 5198 T</u> S S
1918 DWM 5xxd 557d T</u> S S

1912 Erfurt 2xx 220

1913 Erfurt 63xxa

Erfurt 1913 6305a H G? C
with stock lug

1916 Erfurt 48xx 4827
1916 Erfurt 35xxc 3507c

1917 Erfurt 98xxe

1917 Erfurt 9823e rc ? ?</u> P

1917 Erfurt 70xxn 7026n
1917 Erfurt 14xxr 1425r

1918 Erfurt 31xx 3126
Hardness stamp only, second and third marks crowns mut no letters
no receiver power proof

1918 Erfurt 62xxr

1918 Erfurt 6251r rc ? O</u> P


Thats all I've got for now

--Dwight
 
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