[automan1]

Please bear with me as this is the first time for me to try posting photos. Any comments and/or feedback on the quality of the photos evenif they are negative will be appreciated by me.

This M.P.18,1. has all the acceptance stamps and matching numbers. Extra trommel drum with a drum pouch marked A.P. Hoffmann Berlin 1916 which I have to assume is a re-production but it don't stink.

My first questions were answered by Jan & other forum members.I purchased it over 10 yrs. ago for $1900 with the trommel drum but no adaptor which I purchased separately after I got possession of it.

As you will be able to see it is in approximately 95%+ condition and now I would like someone to try and tell me an approximate value for my records as this is the only one I ever seen for sale.
I always wanted one because this was the world's first true blowback submachine gun.

I'll be looking forward to any feedback, information or questions that anyone may have for me.
Bill

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[Jan C Still]

Bill
The 1920 stamp was added sometime between August 1920 and April 1921. It is a Reichswehr property stamp applied to identify the Luger as German Army property to prevent theft. Civilians were paid a bounty for turning in their unauthorized weapons to be destroyed. The Army feared the theft of its unmarked Lugers for the bounty.(Weimar Lugers page 20-23)
Please post photographs of your MP18.
Jan

 

[automan1]

Jan,
Thanks for the reply.
I can't post photos as I don't have as yet camera capability nor the ability to post them.
It is a functional M.P.18,1.
I did not know that the 1920 stamping also applied to submachine guns.
I will give you the ser. no.'s of the M.P.18,1. & the trommel drum if you so desire them.
Bill

 

[keoki7]

Bill, the 1920 stamp is also found on bayonets, sabres and field pieces. MP18s were widely used by police during the Weimar period. If you want to get rid of the MP18 I would be most happy to oblige, swap or cash.

 

[automan1]

Geo
Thanks for the information & offer but it is not for sale.
Jan
I'm going to look at cameras today and how they are used on a computer.
Will let you know the results.
Bill

 

[automan1]

Jan & Geo
I purchased a Sony digital camera today and as soon as I know how to operate it and post photos on this site for the persons who requested them I will do so for various Lugers I entered. I may need some assistance in accomplishing this as I'm a novice on the computer.
Bill

 

[lugerlou]

Bill

The main ingredient to post pictures is to format your camera to Jpeg images.

Picture size must be under 300 kb in size to post on the forum, when you upload the picture files from camera to your computer make sure that when you name the files do not leave any spaces or enter any characters otherwise the forum will not accept the pictures.

You may need to resize the photo's prior to sending the image and this is done on your computer.

Good luck and looking forward to the photo's

 

[automan1]

Lou
Thanks for the information. I'm going back to the camera store tomorrow with the message from you that I printed out and find out if this digital camera will do the requirements that you specified. It probably will and from what I interpret it is the computer that does that.
Please bear with me as I'm excited with this site and I would like to continue using it as I have a few Lugers yet that I would like to post.
Bill

 

[lugerlou]

Bil

Take lots of time and keep trying, took me a few try's and some tutoring by the son to get it right.

 

[automan1]

Lou
You're right, I tried but I failed and that is another reason I'm going to the camera store and
find out what I did wrong. I have no one that can instruct me on the use of this camera.
Thanks for the advice.
Bill

 

[lugerlou]

Bill

Sent you a email and will try and help you to post photo's, best to correspond via email as this will take a good while.

 

[lugerlou]

Bill

Sent you a email and will try and help you to post photo's, best to correspond via email as this will take a good while.

 

[Pete E.]

Hi Bill,

Are there are stampings/marks on the leather carrier for the drum magazine ? If yes, could you post some photos in detail ?

 

[automan1]

Pete
Yes there is a stamping.
A.P. HOFFMANN
BERLIN
1916
I'll take a picture tomorrow and post it. Bear with me as I'm new with this photo posting.
Bill

 

[automan1]

Pete
This is the photo of the stamping on the back of the trommel drum pouch as you requested.
Bill

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[Edward Tinker]

Bill, looks like you did a damn fine job in posting the pictures,


Ed

 

[automan1]

Ed
Thanks, I needed that, but without your help I don't think I would be this far.

Bill

 

[lugerlou]

Bill

Great pictures of your MP18,1 The photos are nice and clear with lots of detail. Good job

I believe you have shed some new light on the trommel magazine leather carriers and they will now be a hot item.

Can not remember the exact post but awhile back another member showed some pictures of a Canadian museum with a MP18,1 and it also had the leather trommel magazine pouch with the machine gun.

This photo and the one from the museum is now worthy of exploring as their has long been a dark cloud hanging over the leather carrier as an original item for the TMo8 magazine.

The canvas carrier has been the only accepted pouch for the TM08 magazine as an additional accoutrement used for the artillery luger, however we now have two examples for the MP18,1 and yours has a date stamp.

Very interesting indeed.

 

[automan1]

Jim
Thank you for your comments on the photos, I need that to give myself some assurance.
Next I'll post photos on the Erfurt 1911 where photos were requested.

I purchased the brown leather trommel drum carrier with the extra trommel magazine that is pictured.
I've no background on it other than the person from whom I purchased it.
You're comments on the trommel magazine carrier are very interesting to me and much appreciated.

I also have a trommel magazine #151783 with a black leather trommel carrier with no stamping and it is constructed differently that I purchased at a gun show a while back which I do believe is a re-production.

I'll be very interested in any other information, comments or questions on these trommel magazine carriers.

Bill

 

[keoki7]

Lugerlou and Bill, the TM08 carriers of leather are post war manufacture and for that matter, they are probably post Viet Nam War manufacture. The "Hoffmann 1916" and "Hoffmann 1915" stamps have been in the hands of some outfit reproducing leather for quite some time. It will be found on C96 harnesses, P08 holsters and LP08 holsters as well as the fantasy mag carriers. The Germans used canvas carriers during the war and some after the war, most photos of MP18s in use are those of Freikorps and Polizei during the period following the war. Most often these fellows are seen with bare TM08s stuck in their belts upside down. I don't think anyone can produce a period photo of a German with a leather TM08 carrier.