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Jan and Darryl: Got one with the correct original Belgian holster and 3 mags, e mail me if you want it, 85% + cond.

I have to correct your post, it is Turkish written with Arabic letters, not Farsi, which is Persian written with modified Arabic letters, and the young turks overthrew the Sultan in 1919-20 over the Greek-British invasion post WW 1.

The Arabs are mad, because we use their numbers, so some time in the past, they adopted the Hindu numbers...(which we call Farsi for some reason)

The holster is the embossed five pointed star pattern red leather, but not quite the same as the Sweedish model, looks like it, but it is slightly different from the usual red Swede model.

This pistol is still in 380 Brng Long, and AMN including the Bbl.....

One other thing, The crest is called the "Toghra" and is the "Seal of the Prophet" it is composed of arabic letters arranged artistically..I am no Arabic scholar, but I think the seal says "Allahu Akbar" or something similar. The writing on the side, using arabic letters, says in Turkish, "Abul Hamid II, war veteran and commander of the faithful" or something similar...The young turks ditched the Arabic Alphabet in the 20's, and the litteracy rate went way up with the German Alphabet....

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Jan; Look at Gasior's site he has the translated legend, on his bayonet list and referring to a Turk Pistol. I could be wrong on the Sultan, but I suspect the Legend dies would have been cut in Belgium and and expensive to remove the engraving and restamp the new sultans' claim.. I had the Turk Student Pilots at Fort Rucker in the 60's and they told me that they used the Arabic Alphabet to write the Turkish until 1924 or so, then they used the German Alphabet thereafter. According to Kris Gasior, he has actually consulted with a Turk who could read the old script, and he told me what it said literally, which is a think a claim of authority based on lineage etc....I think the Histrory Channel may have screewed me up on the Sultans, but I know that the younger one used the Toghra as his seal, and that the seal was very old, and not of Turkish origin, rather it was some sort of Arab device, used in place of icongraphic representation,because Islamic Law forbids representation of any living thing as art...graven images and all that, so they use fanciful images, created by using letters of the Arabic Alphabet.

In any case I was always told by Turks that the Toghra was from Saudi Arabia, and the legend on the side of the weapons was a claim of authority based on lineage and status...Hope this helps.....

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Jan I am sorry, it was a Turk Pistol like the one we are discussing, but it was some time ago, and he may have sold it, and deleted the info. In any case I remember because my pistol was in better shape, and I called him to see if he wanted it. He passed on it because it took so long to sell the first one. I am sure about the Seal of the Phrophet, because the Student Pilots I trained at Fort Rucker told me about it--I showed them a bayonet, and they explained to the reason why the Sultan used that crest, and how they changed their alphabet in the 1920's....

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Jan: Thanks for the good info on your site, I have been waiting for years for someone to straighten all this out, not just Turk Brownings, but all the other pistols you have covered here.....If I did not have an annoyingly persistant memory, I would not have started this controversy, but some things stick in my files!!! I will try my off line sources for the Turkish incriptions, and if anything turns up, I will post it here.
BTW: I will post the pix of my Turk in couple of days, just as soon as my camera guy gets here on Sat to make the files!

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Jan and guys: Mine is 37912 on the Belgian Number, 7600 on the Farsi numbers and AMN inside. I will try to get the pictures up soon.....

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