Matching Mags
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Duster........ Welcome to the Board. The spare or second mag on Mauser guns were marked with a "+" and the follower would have been in the white. Having said all that I would also tell you to never say never..... May I asked what prompted the question on the "+" ??
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One mag has a blue follower and the other in the white.Both mags are stamped with the ser # and stick E/63 acceptance stamps but I don't see the "+".Both have the coil spring and are type 2 magazines.Was looking thru my "Third Reich Lugers" book and this question came to mind.
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Chuck,
Do these mags match the serial number of the pistol? If so, is there a script letter below the serial number on the front of the frame? Remember, due to the serial numbering system of Lugers, you could have two mags that were the original/first mags for two pistols and the numbers would be the same with no "+" sign.
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Do these mags match the serial number of the pistol? If so, is there a script letter below the serial number on the front of the frame? Remember, due to the serial numbering system of Lugers, you could have two mags that were the original/first mags for two pistols and the numbers would be the same with no "+" sign.
Dave
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Chuck.... Is there any way you can post some pictures of these two mags? It would sure help. Would like to see a shot of the bottoms and the followers and the side with the button. Look at the pin holding in the bottom on the one with the blue follower. Does it look like the pin may have been out? The pin itself should be blued.
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Sorry about the quality of pic's still learning to use new camera and lighting.
The mag with the follower in the white is on the left in these pic's.
The pins in both mags are blued.Pic's do not look like they are.
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The mag with the follower in the white is on the left in these pic's.
The pins in both mags are blued.Pic's do not look like they are.
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No numbers or pluses on them? No 1, 2 or 3 towards above the sn?
I think the one on the right is from a different time? The stamping is a bit off. but nothing dramatic, both "look" good to me, just a feeling.
Ed
I think the one on the right is from a different time? The stamping is a bit off. but nothing dramatic, both "look" good to me, just a feeling.
Ed
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Chuck...... Thanks for posting the pictures. I think I agree with Ed about the one on the right. Although the numbers "look" the same the placement seems off. If that one also has the blue follower it would shed more doubt on it for me..... Just my thoughts......
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I don't like the second mag either. In my opinion, the first and third numbers are probably not a product of Mauser. As for two mags with the same number from a different era, this is not possible. Read the post under holsters for the transitions between magazines. The only suffix range that would fit the type of magazine pictured was the 1937-S/42 range in the - p - through - z - and the 1939-42 in the - p - through - z - blocks. Mauser apparently had this all figured out. They put a bigger 63 under the stick eagle for magazines issued with the 1939-42 pistols. Consequently, if you held in your hand Luger magazine number 1234r with a small 63 and 1234r with a larger 63 you have one each 1937 and 1939 magazine. If you have in your hand 1234r and another 1234r with the same size 63 under the stick eagle, you may have a problem. On the other hand, If by magnified comparison the numbers, suffix and magazine configuration appear exactly the same, maybe Mauser failed the + test. The serial number of the pistol would have to beyond the - r - block with a straight wing eagle 63 acceptance. Mauser further eliminated the possibilty of matching the wrong era magazines by the change to the SE-655 acceptance mark about mid-way in the 1939-42. I also agree with all you guys, There should always be a + on the second Military magazine.
I don't like the second mag either. In my opinion, the first and third numbers are probably not a product of Mauser. As for two mags with the same number from a different era, this is not possible. Read the post under holsters for the transitions between magazines. The only suffix range that would fit the type of magazine pictured was the 1937-S/42 range in the - p - through - z - and the 1939-42 in the - p - through - z - blocks. Mauser apparently had this all figured out. They put a bigger 63 under the stick eagle for magazines issued with the 1939-42 pistols. Consequently, if you held in your hand Luger magazine number 1234r with a small 63 and 1234r with a larger 63 you have one each 1937 and 1939 magazine. If you have in your hand 1234r and another 1234r with the same size 63 under the stick eagle, you may have a problem. On the other hand, If by magnified comparison the numbers, suffix and magazine configuration appear exactly the same, maybe Mauser failed the + test. The serial number of the pistol would have to beyond the - r - block with a straight wing eagle 63 acceptance. Mauser further eliminated the possibilty of matching the wrong era magazines by the change to the SE-655 acceptance mark about mid-way in the 1939-42. I also agree with all you guys, There should always be a + on the second Military magazine.
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