Jan C. Still Lugerforums banner
Cancel

Mauser 1910/34 research

49885 Views 140 Replies 31 Participants Last post by  1914mauser, 
1914mauser
Mauser 1910/34 research
I am building a data a database of .25 cal Mauser pistols on the 1910 patent that have a “MAUSER-WERKE A.G.OBERNDORF A.N.” slide address. I am attempting to determine when certain changes occurred in the finish and grip styles along with any blocks of serial number ranges that may have been exported to a specific country for commercial sales or contracted for a specific use.
Currently I have 50+ pistols recorded but I do not have complete information on all of them. So far the data I have, for the most part, supports John LaCroix’s published data as follows:
Note: year dates are from La Croix’s research.

1928-1939
The “MAUSER-WERKE A.G.OBERNDORF A.N.” slide address. 345000-429000 (LaCroix’s data)
Lowest SN in database 359944

1929
Finish changed from rust/cold blue to salt/hot blue. 370000 (LaCroix’s data)
Highest SN with rust/cold blue in database 364405
Lowest SN with salt/hot blue in database 380770

1935-1937
Nitrate or fire blue on small parts discontinued. Not mentioned in LaCroix’s data
Highest SN with nitrate or fire blue on small parts in database 400744
Lowest SN without nitrate or fire blue on small parts in database 403026
Note: There are 2 pistols with SN above 403026 in database described as having nitrate or fire blue on the end of the barrel retaining rod.

1936
Change from straight to curved grip. 403300 (LaCroix’s data)
Highest SN with straight grip in database 400744
Lowest SN with curved grip in database 403361
Note: There are 2 pistols in the database that are exceptions. One is in Pender’s book described as a rework that has a curved grip but is below LaCroix’s SN cut off. The other has a straight grip but is in LaCroix’s range for the curved. Without more data to compare I am theorizing that the grips are replacements.

1937
Serial number on slide in milled slot. 423000 (LaCroix’s data)
Highest SN without SN in slot in database 421124
Lowest SN with SN in slot in database 424422
Note: SN 421124 is from Pender. SN 423147 and 423212 are in database but no information was reported concerning milled slot.

1939
Change from crown/U to Eagle/N proof. 426300-429000 (LaCroix’s data)
Highest SN with C/U proof in database 427184
Lowest SN with E/N proof in database 428166 (only example has nickel finish)

Noted markings
“Made in Germany” export marked
Austrian commercial proofs
Austrian police markings
Czechoslovakian commercial proofs
British proofs
Rotterdam police marked

If any one is willing to provide data on an example of this pistol that is in there possession please provide the following information:

Serial number? Is the slide serial in milled slot?
Finish (cold blue, hot dip or nickel)?
Are small parts nitrate blue?
Grip type (straight or curved) (wood, plastic w/monogram, plastic w/banner)?
Proof mark and any other markings?
See less See more
Reply
Save
Like
1 - 20 of 141 Posts
1914mauser
Ron,
Could you please verify the slide address on your pistol? I am collecting data on pistols that are stamped “MAUSER-WERKE A.G.OBERNDORF A.N.” serial number range 345000-429000. The serial number you listed should be stamped “WAFFENFABRIK MAUSER A.-G. OBERNDORF A. N.”. Thank you for your information.

Regards
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Doug,
Again thanks for the input. You may be correct. Mauser did make clean-up runs that made use older parts from time to time. Hopfuly I will be getting some more data that will prove this theory.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you Doug!
I will add yours to my database.
It sure is a slow process gathering data.

Regards
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Doug,
Yes, I found one but I still am looking for one in a little better shape. The one I found I traded a very nice curved wood grip 1910/34 98%+ finish. The one I got is the hot/salt blue finish that has thin spots I would rate it at 85-90% finish. I am still looking for one with cold/salt blue finish. I know where there is a very nice example but the dealer/owner wants $800+ and that is a bit high in my opinion. I have a curved plastic grip 1910/34, w/Czech proofs that I would consider trading but it has some pitting over the slide SN and some chips on the grip, some repaired. I still rate it at 80%+. Mr.La Croix’s research would indicate there are about half as many curved grips as staight grip produced based on his serial number data. I don't think most people would know the difference between a 1910/14 and a 1910/34 at least that has been my observation.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you Ron.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Mr. Graham,
I will add your pistol to my database but the example you are describing is what I refer to as a 1910/14 and is not in the the focus of this research. I am collecting data on 1910/34 pistols with the slide address “MAUSER-WERKE A.G.OBERNDORF A.N.” serial number range 345000-429000. The serial number you listed should be addressed “WAFFENFABRIK MAUSER A.-G. OBERNDORF A. N.”. Thank you for your information.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you Henri!
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Members,
I would like to expand my request for data on Mauser pocket models in .25 cal. to include all examples. All information is for research purposes and will be considered confidential. If anyone is willing to provide data on an example in their possession please reply with the following:

Complete serial number
WAFFENFABRIK or MAUSER-WERKE slide address?
9 or 7 slide serrations?
Right slide marking? (none, GERMANY, VON LENGERKER & DETMOLD, Mauser-6.35, Cal.-6.35 or Cal.-6.35 D.R.P.u.A.P.)
Condition? (Excellent, very good, good, fair, poor, parts only)
Grip material? (wood or plastic)
Grip shape? (Curved or straight)
Proof mark? (Crown/U or Eagle/N)
Other markings? Please describe.

You contribution to my research is greatly appreciated and will be acknowledged, if you grant permission to do so, when the results of the study are published. Thank you!



Download Attachment: 1910frameWL.jpg
159.2KB
See less See more
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you Gunrunner! You have a very nice selection.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you Mr. Graham!
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you!

Thank you Pisto!
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you!

Dauphin & Kestral – Thank you for your data! Kestral - I’m not sure what you have or had. Dauphin – it appears to have been refinished.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Serial number is too low for a 1934

Terry - The serial number you listed is too low for it to be a 1934 model. 1934 serial numbers start around 500000. So either the grips were replaced at sometime or it could be that you have a 1914 model that was reworked. I would have to examine it or see pictures of it to give an opinion on which it is. It is more likely that the grips were replaced. Check these things: Is it .32cal? Is the slide serial number in a milled slot? Is the slide address start with WAFFENFABRIK MAUSER or MAUSER- WERKE? Do all the serial numbers match? Is there a milled pannel on the right side of the frame? Answers to these questions will give clues to what it is. Regards,
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
It is a 1914 model

Terry - What you have is a 1914 Mauser that was made around 1915-1916. It is a WWI era pistol that may have been imperially accepted (marking in front of rear sight). If it has the curved backed grips then they were replaced with grips for a 1934 model somtime after 1934, they may show poor fit around the safety release button. Even though it is WWI vintage does not rule out that it may have been captured during WWII as many of these pistols from WWI also saw use during WWII.
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
2
This is a 1934 model.

This is a 1934 model. Notice the curve in the grip and the MAUSER- WERKE slide address and milled slot for serial number on slide. Yours should more closely resemble the second one pictured.

Attachments

See less See more
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Thank you!

Henri, pisto and kHarper – Thank you for the input. Life has been keeping me a bit busy but I have recorded your examples and appreciate the contribution. Regards,
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
inspector markings

Kharper – I believe the markings you describe are component inspector markings. They may indicate passing a tolerance inspection or identify the worker or machine that produced the component (slide, frame, etc..). Regards,
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Kharper – You are off to a good start with your Sidelatch. The last published book is Mauser Pocket Pistols 1910-1949 by Roy Pender. Unfortunately it is no longer in print and a copy will cost you as much as a pistol if you find one. It is also dated as much new information has been discovered since its printing in1971. I am working on a book but it is going to be a while before it is ready. If you are looking at the .25 caliber models I posted a thread on model designation that is a sticky in this topic. Currently examples are selling in the $200 – 450 range on Internet auctions. Maybe a little more for something special or rare. I have a PDF on MauserGuns.com that is a basic guide to .25 and .32 caliber models. Here is the link http://www.mauserguns.com/Mauser1910.pdf . I would also suggest reading the post on this forum. You are wise to do some homework before you buy so you will have an idea of what you want your collection to include and know which variations may be worth more to you. Regards,
See less See more
Reply
Save
Like
1914mauser
Kestral - Everything is helpful. Thank you! Regards,
Reply
Save
Like
1 - 20 of 141 Posts
Jan C. Still Lugerforums
A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces.
Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums
New Collectors Board German: German Mfg. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. Army, Navy, Police German: Foreign Mfg. Pistols and Holsters. 1900-1918: P.08-Army Lugers
Top