[Hans]

Mauser Schnellfeuer has two serial numbers: One on the side (later on the bolt endpart) and one on the lower part. By 4-digits full number it is 3 digits on the lower part, 5-digits means 4 on the lower part..
And if it is an early gun with 3-digits full number? I can not find any photos on this matter..
It would be great to hear some opinions on this issue.
Thanks in advance,
Hans

 

[eddie_C96]

Hello,
There were at least 5 different variations of Mauser Schnellfeuer (excluding prototypes and Yugoslavian trials) - so far I have not seen any with S/N below 1000

• Early Nickl - lowest known to me 1065, highest 2912
• Late Nickl - lowest known to me 3144, highest 3439
• Early Westinger - Volume 4 of Kersten/Moll/Schmidt has a picture of 2476, which I believe to be a mix of Nickl upper and Westinger ower
• Intermediate Westinger
• Late Westinger

If needed, I can try to find in my docs on the S/N of Westinger models this WE
(thanks to comments below)

 

[Hans]

Hi,
Thank you for your reply!
It will be great to get information on S/N of Westinger models.
And one more question.
What is the difference between early and late Nickl? There is not much information on Nickl guns..
Thanks a lot,
MfG
Hans

 

[fasenda1]

Hello,
There were at least 5 different variations of Mauser Schnellfeuer (excluding prototypes and Yugoslavian trials) - so far I have not seen any with S/N below 1000

• Early Nickl - lowest known to me 1145, highest 2912
• Late Nickl - lowest known to me 3144, highest 3178
• Early Westinger - Volume 4 of Kersten/Moll/Schmidt has a picture of 2476, which I believe to be a mix of Nickl upper and Westinger ower
• Intermediate Westinger
• Late Westinger

If needed, I can try to find in my docs on the S/N of Westinger models this WE

 

[heckinohio]

I have Chinese contract #46874......includes no number stock, complete leather w/2 mag pouch.

Only picture I can find.......

PJH

 

[Hans]

Another Late Nickl Serial 3439

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[henry]

love the schnell the best. i has an issue with the mag release button falling out at the range almost every trip . small parts are hard to recover . i replaced the plunger bought some very small metric springs to no avail. i took a mag spring from a zb26 mag and cut it down the same size as the schnell spring but put a more distinct claw on the end found the old claw had worn down over the years and was not holding the button in place. maybe a little off topic but wish someone had told me

 

[henry]

my serial is only on the frame and not on the upper barrel assembly

 

[Hans]

Thanks for interesting answers and great pictures!!!
But I still wonder what is the difference between early Nickl and late Nickl?
On the pictures they look the same.. Only the prototype has an another lever..
It will be great to find an answer!
Thanks in adwance,
MfG
Hans

 

[alvin]

I did see one gun with 4-digit s/n on barrel and grip frame. Actually, the gun is currently listed on amoskeagauction.com March 2023 catalog. Unfortunately, the gun was reworked in the past. Looks to me, the leading digit on barrel was erased for unknown reason.

 

[eddie_C96]

But I still wonder what is the difference between early Nickl and late Nickl?

mainly cosmetical - added patent notification marking D.R.P.u.A.P. on the right side of the lower frame and 1000m mark on the sight ramp was rotated 180°.

 

[Hans]

Thank you very much for your answer. It is a great help.
I have only one question.
A early Nickl with 3-digits number. Now many digits it will be on the lower frame?
Thanks,
MfG
Hans

 

[eddie_C96]

A early Nickl with 3-digits number. Now many digits it will be on the lower frame?

no idea - so far, I have not seen any mention of 3-digit Schnellfeuers of any type

 

[fasenda1]

mainly cosmetical - added patent notification marking D.R.P.u.A.P. on the right side of the lower frame and 1000m mark on the sight ramp was rotated 180°.

I am skeptical about statements about the 1000m mark on the 180 degree rotated sight ramp on the later Nikls, since the SN 3439 has a completely normal sight ramp (for the Nikl version).

 

[Hans]

Thanks a lot for all the information. With the sight ramp we can check the available pictures of early Nickl.
But this D.R.P. issue is certainly the main difference between early and late Nickl.
MfG
Hans

 

[Stucki]

The W+F (Waffenfabrik Bern) analyzed the Nickel Schnellfeuer-Pistole in detail, probably in the 1930s or 1940s. The reason for this is unknown.

The attached report comes from the Swiss Federal Archives and is probably an unfinished draft (gaps in content, unfinished sentences etc.) The report was possibly based on the Schnellfeuer-Pistole with the SN 1901. This weapon is still in the former collection of the W+F.

Alexander

 

[Hans]

Danke vielmals!
Super information!

 

[eddie_C96]

I am skeptical about statements about the 1000m mark on the 180 degree rotated sight ramp on the later Nikls, since the SN 3439 has a completely normal sight ramp (for the Nikl version).

Do you happen to have a photo?
acccoding to my satistics, the layout "D" type sights start to appear in 26xx range

 

[Hans]

Number 1065

 

[Hans]

Number 3439