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Hi,

During the 1920's and upto the 1950's a number of German police weapons manuals were published by Verlag Eisenschmidt in Berlin. The earliest one (first edition) I have seen was published in 1923 and is shown in Jan Still's Weimar Lugers on page 190.

I recently found a 1928 revision (nineth edition) and one of the forum members Roland/Pisto owns a copy (twentyfifth edition), published in 1951.

All books share the same author, a Mr. Schmitt. As it seems (also from the cover of the first Edition), Mr. Schmitt was a German police officer (named as 'Polizeihauptman') and therefore the information he provided in these books should provide us with a very decent understanding of the weapons and material available to German police during the span of about 40 years, incuding the Weimar era, early nazi period and early post-war Western-German period.

I would like to advise people to keep an eye open for revisions of the book that haven't shown up yet.

In my 1928 9th edition I found some interestig notes I will sum up here:
-The P08 Luger was identified as the Pistole 08 (in 9mm).
-The 7.65 Luger was identified as the 'Parabellum' (indeed the old commercial name) and although it was sold as a commercial weapon it saw police service, and most probably without stock lug!
-The Trommel Magazine was still in use, but only in combination with the MP18.
-The MG08 was still in use.
-The C96 was still in use, both in 9mm and in 7.63mm
-The Mauser pocket pistol 'Model 1914' was stil in use.

An illustration from the Trommelmagazin section, showing the wearing method of a set of trommelmagazines, using the pouches. Also shown is the layout of the TM-storage box.

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The cover of the 9th edition, 1928.

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This list of publications showed up on a 1947 DDR ban list. It also explains why Eisenschmidt, the publishing company moved to Frankfurt.

Schmitt, Gustav: Gewehr-Dienst. Karabiner-Dienst. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1934.
Schmitt, Gustav: Handgranaten-Dienst. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1934.
Schmitt, Gustav: Karte und Gelände. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1941.
Schmitt, Gustav: Der lMG.-Dienst. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1934.
Schmitt, Gustav: Das Maschinengewehr-Gerät (MG. 08) mit allen Neuerungen. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1935.
Schmitt, Gustav: Maschinenpistole, Leuchtpistole. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1934.
Schmitt, Gustav: Pistolen-Dienst. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1934.
Schmitt, Gustav: Schieß-Dienst. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1939.
Schmitt, Gustav: Die Schußwaffen 98 (Kar. 98 k, b, a, Gew. 98). — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1942.
Schmitt, Gustav: Taschentafeln. — Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1940.

This publication showed up on an allied ban-list:
Schmitt, Gustav: Kleinkaliber-Dienst Sportmodell 1934. - Berlin: Eisenschmidt 1934.

Revisions of the "Waffentechnisches unterrichtsbuch" :
01-1923 1. edition.
02-1925 4. edition.
10-1925 5. edition.
03-1927 6. edition.
08-1927 7. edition (no revisions).
03-1928 9. edition.
1931 ?. edition.
1932 14. edition.
1940 ??. edition.
1944 ??. edition.
1951 25. edition (in reprint until 1960s, but no further revisions).

Verlag Eisenschmidt was founded in 1880 in Berlin and was wellknown for it's publication of maps. Starting in 1909 with the introduction of the large airships (the 'Zeppelins'), Eisenschmidt entered the aircraft navigation map business, something they still do. The company can be visited at www.eisenschmidt.de .
 

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Hi Heinrich,

The 5th edition would not be proper for 1944. As the 5th would have appeared in 1925.
He wrote a number of books, so is is possible that your book is the 5th edition of another Schmitt/Eisenschmidt publication?
 

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Patrick,

Yep. They're the same guys. Check out the 'wir uber uns' bit on their website. Also, Mr. Schmitt published map related books through Eisenschmidt.

And I'm not exactly sure yet, but just about when the weapons publications stopped (mid 60s), a German author with the same name started publishing books on antique clocks. It seems old Gustav got fed up with police items around that time :)

Jan, Ed (good to see you around, hope you're in better shape now),
It's quite amazing how much Mr. Schmitt actually produced and his police ties are particularly interesting. He now scores very high on my believability list as this guy was close to the fire in more ways than one, and that for over 40 years.

If we can get an overview of weapons described throughout the 25 editions it should produce a very good overview of the police armory contents between 1923 and 1951.
 

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Heinrich,

A very nice one. The color prints are starting to make sense, as they were predominantly in the map printing business. It would have been relatively easy for them to print large-format color illustrations.

Ed: Good to hear it!
 

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Vlim,

the two web chest pouches, each for three TMs are particularly interesting. Have any of these items ever been documented before? The weight of six, fully loaded TMs, together with the canvas belt pouches must have been considerable. Does the police manual contain any reference to the leather TM pouch for one TM? I´ve always wondered what the straps to be seen on most of them were for.
 

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the two web chest pouches, each for three TMs are particularly interesting. Have any of these items ever been documented before? The weight of six, fully loaded TMs, together with the canvas belt pouches must have been considerable. Does the police manual contain any reference to the leather TM pouch for one TM? I´ve always wondered what the straps to be seen on most of them were for.
 

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Hi Patrick,

To be honest, I've never seen these pouches mentioned in relationship with the TM. Most probably because they were never identified as TM-carrier pouches, again as they may well be used to carry all sorts of equipment around.

The only reference to the 1-TM pouch in the book is in the illustration (2 pouches, each with 1 TM). The book mentions the cleaning, loading and unloading instructions of the TM.

Of course, there is a poor quality photograph in the 1917 'Anleitung zur Langen Pistole 08 mit ansteckbarem trommelmagazin', which shows the (allegedly) same 1-TM pouches. Those are the canvas ones with leather strips.
 
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