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Contrary to what my good friend the Judge has posted, the "Navy Luger Cabal" does not consider it self elitist or secretive.
Quite the contrary, we are a group of 3 middle aged guys with another middle aged guy,(An aspiring member) who work TOGETHER to assist one another in building our individual Navy Luger collections.

The theory is simple: 8 eyes and sets of internet searchers are far superior to one guy trying to do it alone. No elitism here, simply PRAGMATISM, combined with a strong sense of mutual trust and loyalty to one another. When we acquire a piece that a member needs, it goes to them at the price that was paid. One year later, ten years later, makes no difference. We do not make a nickle on one another; in fact, we probably lose a little bit from time to time.

Occasionally, members simply purchase a piece that they know another member needs and ships it to him with a "pay me when you can, I knew you needed this" note attached. We regularly swap guns, because we understand we are not owners, but merely caretakers of these historic relics. And guess what, cash seldom, if ever, changes(Money is BORING) hand. It is ALL based on mutual TRUST and respect.

Working together and sharing contacts on 4 continents, we have been very successful in growing a significant collection of Navy pieces, including some extremely rare items; we won several prizes when we displayed in Kansas City in 2001, and have had rave reviews of the display we did in Chattanooga this summer.

We work TOGETHER, based on a deep friendship and respect for the honesty and integrity of the members of the "cabal".

If this is somehow out of bounds, I guess I don't get it. I thought that the Luger "Fraternity" was s'posed to be like this.

Tom A.
 

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quote:I thought that the Luger "Fraternity" was s'posed to be like this.
It is...

It is just that at the higher end of the collecting field, and knowing or hearing about a aquired piece that might be what I make in a month (or two), can be interperted as elitist or smug by some.

I think not; as I have heard nice things about the "cabal".

On the other hand, I have been pleased to meet so many guys willing to share, literally, my "mentor", in fact, I would say, my 2-3 mentors have shared secrets, sold me a gun or two at a better price than I could find on the "open" market, and treated me to a lunch / dinner or two with the best conversation imaginable.

Smug - not really, pleased with "oneself" - possibly...

Carry-on soldier, if it works for you, then so-be-it... Jealousy maybe, as being part of an AE or Weimar cabal would be nice for me!
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Tom:

All very admirable and, of course, such pursuits are not "out of bounds". I do not believe that I so suggested. How could I as I had never heard of the "Cabal" until the recent preceeding post, and, most certainly, not the "Navy Luger Cabal" until your post, herein. Perhaps I should get out more often.

In that "cabal" is defined as a secret group of plotters or political consirators, I trust that you can appreciate the confusion which resulted in my mistaking you lads for a bunch of wanna-be fruit-loops posing under "catchy name". Thank you for setting me straight.

Good Hunting

P.S. You cabalers may consider yourselfs to be "caretakers", however, I am an owner.
 

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Was going to respond on the other posting about the Navy mag #1040 to Leo about sharing Navy mag #'s but perhaps it belongs here. Sounds like you guys got a neat group going....... many of us have these kind of relationships. But someplace along the way it gets into "you show me yours and I'll show you mine".......
 

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Leo
You said
“As we have 400+ serial numbers and grip strap markings on "06" navies in our data base, if you would be so kind to forward all that you have to the ringleader of the "Cabal" Mr. Tom Armstrong it would be deeply appreciated.”

This raises the question, does the “Cabal” plan to keep all this Navy data for the exclusive use and benefit of the “Cabal”? What is the “Cabal’s”plan to release all its data?

I strongly support supplying your Navy information to the “Cabal”; however, I would request that this information also be presented on this Forum to the benefit of all Navy collectors.
Thanks
Jan
See Leo's post by clicking below:
http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2784
 

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Hi Jan
We have been gathering information for the last three years with the hopes of publishing a book on the navy luger and other Imperial Navy artifacts.As for supplying the list of serial numbers this is something I will discuss with my two fellow cabalists.
There is a very comprehensive list of serial numbers and grip strap markings of the navy luger begining on page 392 of Mr. Costanzo,s book The World Of Lugers.
Thank you
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Leo..... I've been collecting for 25 years and I'm a rookie compared to many on this board. You are asking me to tell you something you don't know..... I will respond by telling you to tell me something that I don't know........
 
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