Hello my friends, I need to know the year of production and the exactly model of this luger, could you please help me? Here are some pictures of it with it's proof marks. The serial number of the frame is #91746 , and this #...46 match with the other parts of this gun.
The Alphabet Commercial series Lugers went into production in 1923 I believe. They began with serial number 2000i which would have been the same as an all-numbers serial number of 92,000. The reasons for the change to the commercial series is thought to have been to keep from going into six digit numbers. That's an educated guess but still speculation.
Anyway, your serial number makes it roughly 250 from the end of the all-numbers original commercial series so I'd say 1923 but possibly late 1922.
Specific model is a new frame commercial Luger of the post-WW1 era. Condition, judging from the pictures, makes it a shooter class. Value in the U.SD. would be in the $700 ~ $800 range but I have no idea what it's worth in Brazil.
Hello Doubs, thank you for your quick response to my topic. Don't worry about the price, it's a museum gun, it will not be sold, the police got it from a criminal and the law judge gave it to this museum after the trials.
Do you know what is the meaning of these proof marks, if it reffer to where or what sqad it were employed?
And I didn't understand what you meant with "Specific model is a new frame commercial Luger of the post-WW1 era.". I though that the models were something like "Luger-Borchardt 1900 Commercial" or something like that.
The 1900 Lugers are considered to be the "Old Model" while the later long frame 1906 and short frame 1908 Lugers are "New Model" pistols. There are many differences between the Old Model and New Model including flat vs coil recoil springs, different extractors etc. Collectors also break the models down even further but your Luger is a short frame New Model. Commercial Lugers pre-WW1 will have "lazy" Crown/N proofs (lying sideways) while your post-WW1 proofs are the "standing" Crown/N on the left side of the receiver. They are commercial proofs and have nothing to do with military or police units unless there are stamps on the grip straps or elsewhere that I don't see.
Compare your Luger's short frame to the long frame of the Luger in the picture below. This Luger was reworked after WW1 by a company called "Franken und Lunenschloss" or "Frankenschloss" as it's marked. Although different than yours, it's still a "New Model". Look at the curvature of the front of the frame which is the only obvious difference. The length differences aren't great enough to be readily seen.
Allow me to reply a fellow countryman in our own Language (portuguese):
Eu tenho alguns artigos publicados na Revista Magnum e Tiro Certo, bem como alguns trabalhos no exterior, então, se precisar de alguma ajuda adicional me mande uma mensagem aqui pelo fórum ou no e-mail douglas.aguiar@uol.com.br .
Administrators, please allow me to answer my fellow in portuguese too.
Muito obrigado pela ajuda prestada Douglas, me esclareceu muito. Anotei seu e-mail e te contactarei caso eu tenha dúvidas posteriores! Um abraço e obrigado!
very nice - as a well known and handsome collector once said
it doesn't matter if the luger is pitted, mismatched, chromed or nickled, its still a Luger and so you have history in your hands!'
Ed
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