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I got very lucky recently and found this luger in a small community less than 20 miles from my home. A year ago someone showed me a picture of this gun at the Charlotte, N.C. gun show. It belonged to his neighbor. It took me more than a year to meet the owner and acquire the gun.
It's a very nice 1902 AE Fat Barrel, serial #22679. It seems correct in all respects - correct serial range, polished safety, short frame, 9mm, stepped chamber and "GERMANY" marked. There are no proofs on the gun. The finish is original(95%+) and all numbers match. The grips are unnumbered. The mag is an early period commercial mag with the "flaming bomb" acceptance, but I believe the 9mm script mag is correct for the gun.
The overall condition is excellent but I believe Ron Wood has one that is close to mint. When I study Dwight Gruber's commercial number listing(which we are very fortunate to have), I still find it difficult to extrapolate how many of these were produced. So....I have two questions:
-Can someone offer up a good opinion as to production numbers of the AE variation?
- Is my magazine correct or do I need to find a 9mm script mag?
All help and opinions are appreciated. Thanks!

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Tim H.
 

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That is, indeed, a beauty and you were very fortunate to find it.

A friend of mine, nearly 30 years ago, found one in rather sad condition and had it professionally restored. It was returned to him looking like it had just left the factory. A marvelous piece.
 

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What a beautiful piece you have there.

Tim, Still's estimated production of 1902 A.E. Commercial pistols, ie the "Fat Barrel" is 860, but you probably already knew that and are looking for a later estimate.

By the way, my Fat Barrel sn is 22654, very close to yours.

I think the 9mm script mag is correct, but lets wait for Ron Wood's information.
 

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is the 3 digit SN on the rear of the toggle link unusual? I have SN 23100 and mine only has the 00 on the toggle link.
 

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By serial number, about 1,400 short frame Old Model pistols were produced. It is impossible to extrapolate a breakdown of the variations from sample reports. I know this is unsatisfactory. By far the largest number of reports of non-specialized pistols (Dutch and German test pistols, and cartridge counters) are American Eagles. SPECULATION: Still's number is low.

Sturgess has the 3-digit small-part stamping from late 10,000 numbers to mid-22,000 range.

The Cal 9m/m magazines have 100.2mm long follower slots, and are therefore only appropriate for New Model Parabellums.

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Tim,
That's a heluva fat barrel. Congratulations!
It well worths the long waiting.
I only think that it deserves better pictures (too small in my computer). :rolleyes:
Douglas
 

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Good pick Tim, couldn't happen to a nicer fella. Thanks for the show and tell, John
 

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Here are higher res photos, I had the pleasure of helping Tim photograph this pistol and it is in incredible shape. High quality bluing like this is so hard to accurately photograph. Enjoy!
 

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From many years of personal observation,I would say the split is about 1100 02 Eagles to 300 02 Commercials. Commercials are much tougher to find in original condition. Many of the restored 02 commercials started out life as low condition Eagles, as it is easier to remove what`s left of a worn Eagle than to engrave a new eagle prior to restoration. Doug
 

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The finish on that 02 is exquisite; no mill marks anywhere. Made to the highest quality standards and simply beautiful.
 

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I do not want to steal Tim’s thunder. He has found an outstanding 1902 Fat Barrel and I was so pleased when he contacted me about it. He knew my particular affection for that model. Since he has mentioned mine, I will go ahead and present it.

I have owned mine for many years and it is one of the best Lugers I own. I have lost track of when I acquired it but it had to be the late 1960s/early 1970s. After I bought it, I showed it to the “Luger Variations” author, Harry Jones. Harry along with Fred Datig were pioneers in chronicling and cataloging the variations and history of the Luger. I visited Harry in his Torrance, California, shop and when he saw my gun, he reached under the counter and pulled out an old notebook. He had a record of the gun, knew a previous owner, and stated it was the best example he had seen. I was elated at having such praise coming from a prominent authority. I treasure the memory to this day.
Ron
 

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Beautiful gun, Tim! I can’t wait to see it in person.
 

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Wow, Ron! You've been holding out on us. Your '02 needs to be on a book cover. I'm glad you posted it - a near perfect example! Does your's have the Cal.9mm mag?
Tim
 
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