P08 3082h is a standard 1915 DWM product with all matching parts and retaining all imperial proofs. Its conversion to police use is indicated by the added sear safety and number “82”to rear toggle axle . Also it was stamped with police markings “P.D.”for ? police school.These markings are uncommon and they were applied in an unusual manner.
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Figure 1. The completed P.D.471 (crossed out) and P.D.Br.2020 markings on left receiver and front grip strap respectively.
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Figure 2. Three abortive attempts to mark P.M. on the rear and right side of 3082h. From left to right , there is a “P” attempt on rear of frame, on right side ramp of frame, and on right side of receiver anterior to ejector. These stamps are shown in the following three figures.
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Figure 3. An attempt to place an inverted “P” on rear of frame. Whoops, bad placement.
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Figure 4. Perhaps the next stamp was on the right ramp area. Shallow “P” as ramp hardening may make this place a poor choice for good stamp penetration.
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Figure 5.Good stamp placement and depth on right receiver flats anterior to ejector, but a rather horrible triple bounce result.
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Figure 6. The final nice P.D.471 marking on the left receiver flats. One could interpret the three abortive “P stamp” attempts to represent the education of a neophyte armorer, trying out various flat areas on the frame/receiver to place the P.D. and number. If so, the absence of direction/supervision for this unskilled worker pounding away on this police gun seems rather bizarre. On the other hand, was this a demonstration performed by an experienced armorer/stamper? He showed three stamping errors i.e. poor placement, avoid hardened areas, bouncing is bad. At least during this perplexing “trial and error” process there was no detectable bending of the frame/receiver.
The next question is the meaning of the “D” of the P.D. marking. Probably “D” refers to the town of police school location, in a manner similar to other police school names. "P.D." is not mentioned in the list of P08 marked police schools on page 197 Weimar Lugers or page 93 of Gortz/Bryans. However P.D. would not appear to be a small school, if there were at least 470 other P08/weapons in this P.D. unit.
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Figure 7.The final front grip strap marking apparently applied after crossing out the P.D.471 marking. The last question is what is the meaning of the Br.2040. Any identification or other observations of this mark?
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Figure 8.The matching police #2 mag retained by P08 3082h. This mag is a type 4 (page 172,TRLugers) with HS patent marked blue body and eagle/C stamped aluminum bottom retained by a convex center pin.
John
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Figure 1. The completed P.D.471 (crossed out) and P.D.Br.2020 markings on left receiver and front grip strap respectively.
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Figure 2. Three abortive attempts to mark P.M. on the rear and right side of 3082h. From left to right , there is a “P” attempt on rear of frame, on right side ramp of frame, and on right side of receiver anterior to ejector. These stamps are shown in the following three figures.
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Figure 3. An attempt to place an inverted “P” on rear of frame. Whoops, bad placement.
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Figure 4. Perhaps the next stamp was on the right ramp area. Shallow “P” as ramp hardening may make this place a poor choice for good stamp penetration.
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Figure 5.Good stamp placement and depth on right receiver flats anterior to ejector, but a rather horrible triple bounce result.
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Figure 6. The final nice P.D.471 marking on the left receiver flats. One could interpret the three abortive “P stamp” attempts to represent the education of a neophyte armorer, trying out various flat areas on the frame/receiver to place the P.D. and number. If so, the absence of direction/supervision for this unskilled worker pounding away on this police gun seems rather bizarre. On the other hand, was this a demonstration performed by an experienced armorer/stamper? He showed three stamping errors i.e. poor placement, avoid hardened areas, bouncing is bad. At least during this perplexing “trial and error” process there was no detectable bending of the frame/receiver.
The next question is the meaning of the “D” of the P.D. marking. Probably “D” refers to the town of police school location, in a manner similar to other police school names. "P.D." is not mentioned in the list of P08 marked police schools on page 197 Weimar Lugers or page 93 of Gortz/Bryans. However P.D. would not appear to be a small school, if there were at least 470 other P08/weapons in this P.D. unit.
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Figure 7.The final front grip strap marking apparently applied after crossing out the P.D.471 marking. The last question is what is the meaning of the Br.2040. Any identification or other observations of this mark?
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Figure 8.The matching police #2 mag retained by P08 3082h. This mag is a type 4 (page 172,TRLugers) with HS patent marked blue body and eagle/C stamped aluminum bottom retained by a convex center pin.
John
