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·Would appreciate any help identifying "P.K. 159" unit markings on the front strap of a 1916 DWM and/or the best source for markings research for future reference.
Thanks,
Thanks,
"P.K. 159" Unit Markings
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Billy, I'm surprised that no one has responded to your post yet, so here it goes...
Can you post photos of the left side of the pistol and the grip strap? These would be quite helpful.
"P.K." seems pretty odd to me, but I checked Jeff Noll's book and a few possibilities arise assuming your pistol was marked by a company armorer who casually interpreted the guidelines for marking equipment.
P.K.(scriptic)x. Personen-kraftwagenpark des x Armeekorps
P.K.D. Pionier-Abteilung der Kavalrie-Division
Billy, the book I referenced is "The Imperial German Regimental Marking" by Jeff Noll. I believe I saw a copy offered on Ebay today. Or you may be able to contact Jeff through this forum or I can get you in touch with him. As I recall he still had copies in February when I saw him in Louisville.
Can you post photos of the left side of the pistol and the grip strap? These would be quite helpful.
"P.K." seems pretty odd to me, but I checked Jeff Noll's book and a few possibilities arise assuming your pistol was marked by a company armorer who casually interpreted the guidelines for marking equipment.
P.K.(scriptic)x. Personen-kraftwagenpark des x Armeekorps
P.K.D. Pionier-Abteilung der Kavalrie-Division
Billy, the book I referenced is "The Imperial German Regimental Marking" by Jeff Noll. I believe I saw a copy offered on Ebay today. Or you may be able to contact Jeff through this forum or I can get you in touch with him. As I recall he still had copies in February when I saw him in Louisville.
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·Geo,
Many thanks for your research and your reply. I am new to the Lugar and can use all the help I can get.
I cannot send pictures because the pistol is not in my hands...yet. (This would be my first Lugar. I would ideally like a Bavarian marking.) The "P.K." is in block; not sure what "scriptic" is. Anyway, I'm sure it's not PKD. So, P.K. may be Personen-Kraftwagenpark ...and I guess that means it was in the Motor Pool.
What are you looking for on the left side to help ID? I will visit it again within the next few days.
Thanks again!
Many thanks for your research and your reply. I am new to the Lugar and can use all the help I can get.
I cannot send pictures because the pistol is not in my hands...yet. (This would be my first Lugar. I would ideally like a Bavarian marking.) The "P.K." is in block; not sure what "scriptic" is. Anyway, I'm sure it's not PKD. So, P.K. may be Personen-Kraftwagenpark ...and I guess that means it was in the Motor Pool.
What are you looking for on the left side to help ID? I will visit it again within the next few days.
Thanks again!
With unit or police markings, you can't always "guess" on markings... Some times there is strict guidance and adhered to, while other times it was a crap shoot on how the marking was placed on the gun.
As in computers or typing, block looks like this, while scrypt is more like italic letters.
And although a common mistake, Georg Luger had his name spelled luger, not lugar.
Welcome to the forum Billy, it is a fun hobby,
oldguy
As in computers or typing, block looks like this, while scrypt is more like italic letters.
And although a common mistake, Georg Luger had his name spelled luger, not lugar.
Welcome to the forum Billy, it is a fun hobby,
oldguy
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·Guys,
Obviously, with Lugers, there is a wealth of proofs and marks, both factory and unit, which require a small library. The Jeff Noll book sounds like what the doctor ordered...military unit markings do have an immediate appeal. I did get The Luger Story by John Walter, so at least I have some basic reference.
A local gun shop has 8 or 9 good looking Lugers from the estate of a recently deceased collector inculding the 1916 DWM P.K. 159. Of course, they are all over-priced, so I expect that I have some time, but I still feel under the gun to learn more.
Will check back with you later.
Obviously, with Lugers, there is a wealth of proofs and marks, both factory and unit, which require a small library. The Jeff Noll book sounds like what the doctor ordered...military unit markings do have an immediate appeal. I did get The Luger Story by John Walter, so at least I have some basic reference.
A local gun shop has 8 or 9 good looking Lugers from the estate of a recently deceased collector inculding the 1916 DWM P.K. 159. Of course, they are all over-priced, so I expect that I have some time, but I still feel under the gun to learn more.
Will check back with you later.
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All, I believe this marking comes directly from the 1932 Prussian Police markings manual. P.K. 159 according to this document translates to: Polizei-Schule, Kiel, Waffe Nr. 159. My book would not include these police markings. My book is available direct. Please see my web page http://home.earthlink.net/~nopubl or contact me direct at [email protected]. Jeff
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