[PAOLO]

Hello
I purchased recently this holster.Does anyone know something about?Thanks.

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[huggiebear]

Other than coming out of the Ukraine from "supposedly" captured Russian stocks from WW2, it is for a luger but who used it. Nothing about the construction tells us that it is German in origin but is pattern after the original German article. Who used the Luger ??? We know that Bulgaria did but we still haven't definitely determined what that was, although a number of candidates are being hyped for such use in WW2. Was it for captured stocks by the Russians who used it ??? Because it is pattern after the original German holster I would be of the opinion that an German ally used it instead of the Russians. Romanians come to mind but until photos are produced showing such wearing or articles with markings still visible, identification is difficult seeing that no markings have been applied or at least , still visible. Markings may have been stamped with ink at time of assembly but wear and tear has reduced that option down to nothing. Keep reseaching is my only answer.

 

[Guest_V]

Paolo,

Apart from the outward appearance, which is anything but hygienic, the holster you recently purchased is definitely of some interest. I´ve heard of a canvas P 08 holster for the Afrika Korps but never seen one. But whoever it was made for, it must have some markings somewhere, however faint.

 

[Ron Smith]

Paolo, Neat holster. I would guess Africa Corps canvas holsters are very scarce. Probably not many survivors.

Ron

 

[keoki7]

I doubt that it is Afrika Korps.

 

[Ron Smith]

Geo, I always thought that nearly all canvas or tropical type gear, would be attributed to Africa Korps issue. Shows ya how much I know.

Ron

 

[Edward Tinker]

quote:would be attributed to...

This is true Ron, but from what i understand, over all these years, no true holsters have been ID'd...

 

[Guest_V]

Geo, true, they have, as yet, never been identified. There´s always a first time.

Paolo, your canvas holster could have been privately made. But this does not seem very likely. If it was mil. issue, there must be some acceptance stamps on it somewhere. Please let us know if you find anything.

 

[keoki7]

quote:Originally posted by Ron Smith

Geo, I always thought that nearly all canvas or tropical type gear, would be attributed to Africa Korps issue. Shows ya how much I know.

Ron

Ron, what's tougher on leather, 120 degrees in the desert or minus 50 degrees on the Steppe? I believe Canvas gear such as belts and bayo frogs were simply Ersatz items and found in all theatres of the war. I know I've seen photos of guys wearing canvas(webbing) belts and they were in Europe.

 

[Guest_V]

In Europe, the use of canvas webbing or leather was (and maybe still is) a matter of national preference. Britain always preferred canvas. Brass buckles were polished with Brasso and the canvas webbing painted (and protected) with Blanco. Germany always preferred leather. But German forces also used webbing in their colonial wars. The holster doesn´t seem to have been treated (Blancoed). German Ersatz canvas gear doesn´t seem to have been reported anwhere within the Earopean war theatre.

The holster can either have been an individual attempt at copying a P08 holster. Or for military use somewhere øutside Europe. If there are no markings, one might assume the former explanation.

 

[Vlim]

Patrick,

Sounds good enough. It appears someone salvaged parts of a leater P08 holster and some canvas material (look at the 'old seam' that's running across part of the flap) and created a new one. Probably an early postwar private attempt as you suggested.

 

[PAOLO]

Patrick
There are no marks at all.The only track is a faint name? written by a copying pencil on the outside of the tool pouch.I add some else pics.

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[PAOLO]

Hello
I've got from a friend the scans of a WW1 photo showing a group of German Soldiers in Russland.One is wearing a canvas holster identical to the one I posted.Sorry on the back side of the photo there is no more than I told (when I'll get the original photo I'll post the scan).
So now we know the holster(as I suspected) was an "ersatz" one probably made in the last period of the WW1,even also (as you know) there are a lot of beautifully made 1918 leather hosters.Sometimes it can happen to see some holsters made in 1918 that are produced by some thinner leather than the same producer's holsters of the 1917,1916... But they are anyway standard well made holsters.
This one is a very particular one,much more because now we know it was an "official" WW1 item.

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Any comment is wellcome

 

[keoki7]

It's hard to argue with period photographs.

 

[Vlim]

Paolo,

You devil

Excellent proof that's indeed hard to lay aside. You've got me convinced.

 

[Ron Smith]

FOWL!!I have it on good authority that this is a posed and doctored photo. That's George and his sh*t shoveling crew at the annual company picnic. George is wearing the holster. :-D

Paolo, Great holster! I am as usual, very envious. You have some outstanding examples. Very well done. Ron

 

[Guest_V]

Could be some Eastern European NCO in charge of German POWs.

(Only joking) ... although he doesn´t look very German.

 

[tomathvl]

Photos run through Photoshop quick fix,
Tom

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[lugerholsterrepair]

It's hard to argue with period photographs. I have been following this thread and am excited to see something new! Just goes to show you , don't assume you know it all! Really fascinating stuff...Thanks Paolo, George. Jerry

 

[Edward Tinker]

I was told they were not real (canvas), that is excellent to see some are!


Thanks Paolo,

Ed