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I have moved out of anyones comfort zone and bought a bad investment 馃槉. I don鈥檛 really care , because I find it fascinating. For all the reasons it shouldn鈥檛 exist , I can鈥檛 connect the dots to prove it鈥檚 bad ( yet) . So here it is and it鈥檚 mine , 馃槅
For better or worse
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And by the way , it鈥檚 still on inspection ,but I fell in love with it
Additionally , all the stampings had white sh*t in them . With limited time there is some left in toggle I need to work on .
Are all the rough machining marks correct?
I can鈥檛 find anything wrong , yet . A friend I trust doesn鈥檛 like the toggle , but when I try to convince myself I have questions.
The toggle by the way is the earlier style pre 1941 change
Late in 42 they were definitely using up stuff , but it if was military diverted to police why banner toggle ?
And it鈥檚 Y block which didn鈥檛 exist in 1942 military production
More info , oddly the bluing is pretty thin . It looks like at some point some cleaning solution was applied to the upper receiver and the frame . There is a stain
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More pics - the stain is down right ear of toggle and onto frame , these pics before China marker removal
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If you can still return this, you absolutely should IMO.
Explain the issues please 馃槉
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I can鈥檛 account for the extreme level of f*ckery that it would take to do this without refinish and perfect stampings . The banner toggle and the y block are really a mystery
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The other element of the puzzle is that if it was made with a byf host no suffix from 1942. The barrel would have a barrel gauge on it. They didn鈥檛 start dropping the barrel gauge until later in 1942 and no suffix was in the first week of January. Also as highlighted in the photos the barrel has E/135 stampings on it so it鈥檚 definitely a 1942 Mauser barrel
The other thing I really like about the gun is the side plate. This is not Bubba work. Those cuts and refinish are done by a professional
The most obvious problem is the fake toggle. The SN is obviously fake and the logo could be fake also. A y block commercial gun would not have been fully accepted and proofed by the WaA, and if it were a military gun diverted to the police it wouldn't be a commercial y block serial. Side plate is a mess too.

What happened IMO, is someone took parts from a standard byf42 and tweaked it into an OrPo gun. They added the OrPo E/L where the E/N would normally go, and added a fake toggle. Something looks off with the frame markings ('y' looks a little too wide) so it may have been faked also. I'm not certain on that.

Save your money for a legit one with no questions. These are not exactly rare.
It鈥檚 very sincere advice and you are correct on many levels. Thank you for your opinions. You definitely know they are valued
I definitely have a raised eyebrow and issues with the toggle as well. As astutely pointed out by Ryan. It really should have a byf toggle with the military firing proof on the breech block. I think where I am having an issue excepting that it鈥檚 fakery is with the really great installation of the sear safety and the eagle L stamping seems very good to me. The other thing that is puzzling is the really poor finish overall on the gun. It has definitely not been re-blued . If anything the blue is super thin . Under very intense light and macro photography I can鈥檛 find any areas of refinish . The Y block stamping on the frame is really done perfectly and shows no signs of any re-blue whatsoever . Y block is definitely a place where police guns hang out
Just coming up with a ridiculous theory which of course we all know is absolutely stupid but if the gun had to go to And be converted to police where would that be done? Would it be done at Mauser or at a police armory?
I actually asked this question today during our meeting, but we didn鈥檛 really have any other World War II Luger guys on to confirm what was going on in 1942 . We needed @Vlim but he was motoring 馃槉
It's out of Ralph's shop of horrors. If you have a big enough pile of mis-matched and matching poor condition mausers you can make a lot of stuff.

So far this year a "matching" 42/42 a "matching" BW franken luger a day ago and now this. All matching, all good at first glance.

This stuff will be oozing out into the light for awhile I'm afraid.

There are police banners in the y block but they won't have military acceptances.
The matching 42-42 is mine 馃槅
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It's out of Ralph's shop of horrors. If you have a big enough pile of mis-matched and matching poor condition mausers you can make a lot of stuff.

So far this year a "matching" 42/42 a "matching" BW franken luger a day ago and now this. All matching, all good at first glance.

This stuff will be oozing out into the light for awhile I'm afraid.

There are police banners in the y block but they won't have military acceptances.
First of all it鈥檚 in the proper serial block for 1942 police Lugers 8001y- 9194y this is 8254y

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There is 7927y that is E/655, E/655
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