Please don’t buy things that you need to explain

And by the way , it’s still on inspection ,but I fell in love with it

Additionally , all the stampings had white sh*t in them . With limited time there is some left in toggle I need to work on .

martin08 said:

Are all the rough machining marks correct?

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I can’t find anything wrong , yet . A friend I trust doesn’t like the toggle , but when I try to convince myself I have questions.

The toggle by the way is the earlier style pre 1941 change

Late in 42 they were definitely using up stuff , but it if was military diverted to police why banner toggle ?

And it’s Y block which didn’t exist in 1942 military production

More info , oddly the bluing is pretty thin . It looks like at some point some cleaning solution was applied to the upper receiver and the frame . There is a stain

RyanE said:

If you can still return this, you absolutely should IMO.

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Explain the issues please 😊

I can’t account for the extreme level of f*ckery that it would take to do this without refinish and perfect stampings . The banner toggle and the y block are really a mystery

The other element of the puzzle is that if it was made with a byf host no suffix from 1942. The barrel would have a barrel gauge on it. They didn’t start dropping the barrel gauge until later in 1942 and no suffix was in the first week of January. Also as highlighted in the photos the barrel has E/135 stampings on it so it’s definitely a 1942 Mauser barrel

The other thing I really like about the gun is the side plate. This is not Bubba work. Those cuts and refinish are done by a professional

RyanE said:

The most obvious problem is the fake toggle. The SN is obviously fake and the logo could be fake also. A y block commercial gun would not have been fully accepted and proofed by the WaA, and if it were a military gun diverted to the police it wouldn't be a commercial y block serial. Side plate is a mess too.

What happened IMO, is someone took parts from a standard byf42 and tweaked it into an OrPo gun. They added the OrPo E/L where the E/N would normally go, and added a fake toggle. Something looks off with the frame markings ('y' looks a little too wide) so it may have been faked also. I'm not certain on that.

Save your money for a legit one with no questions. These are not exactly rare.

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It’s very sincere advice and you are correct on many levels. Thank you for your opinions. You definitely know they are valued

I definitely have a raised eyebrow and issues with the toggle as well. As astutely pointed out by Ryan. It really should have a byf toggle with the military firing proof on the breech block. I think where I am having an issue excepting that it’s fakery is with the really great installation of the sear safety and the eagle L stamping seems very good to me. The other thing that is puzzling is the really poor finish overall on the gun. It has definitely not been re-blued . If anything the blue is super thin . Under very intense light and macro photography I can’t find any areas of refinish . The Y block stamping on the frame is really done perfectly and shows no signs of any re-blue whatsoever . Y block is definitely a place where police guns hang out

Just coming up with a ridiculous theory which of course we all know is absolutely stupid but if the gun had to go to And be converted to police where would that be done? Would it be done at Mauser or at a police armory?
I actually asked this question today during our meeting, but we didn’t really have any other World War II Luger guys on to confirm what was going on in 1942 . We needed @Vlim but he was motoring 😊

johnboy said:

It's out of Ralph's shop of horrors. If you have a big enough pile of mis-matched and matching poor condition mausers you can make a lot of stuff.

So far this year a "matching" 42/42 a "matching" BW franken luger a day ago and now this. All matching, all good at first glance.

This stuff will be oozing out into the light for awhile I'm afraid.

There are police banners in the y block but they won't have military acceptances.

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The matching 42-42 is mine 😆